John Deere Cummins Rumor

CTDYoungGun

CTDYoungGun

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...as the title hints...anybody else in the midwest, or northwest MO in particular here anything about this "amazing" engine being built and possibly being run in a dodge this coming year?


I know more than I am posting here, but to stay on the safe side I thought I'd see if any of the competitors, customers, or builders themselves could confirm or deny this...

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Nothing?!?!?

Ok, for those of you with little/some/no machining knowledge do the math on this (this has all been confirmed by good friends I know who have seen the engine)

...starting with a B-series Cummins, the block was bored out to accept John Deere 440 sleeves...so not only was the material in between cylinders completely removed, but the sleeves themselves had to be machined flat on the sides so they will fit in next to each other...however this would not be durable enough so the sides of the block were then CUT out so the sleeves could be welded together for "durability"...and the list goes on...

I promise this is too crazy to be made up and I am honestly concerned for the safety of the crowd and other competitors...what should be done tech wise to prevent people (or businesses) from being allowed to run stuff like this???
 
I heard they were splicing two blocks together (2nd one upside down under the first) and running an extra six cylinders pointed downwards (opposing 12 cylinder). You just have to replace the rod cap with another rod and you now have two pistons working off the same crank throw...

Afterall, this would still be using all stock parts so it's good for the work stock class right?

:hehe:

Sounds like an expensive and time consuming project, that will most likely come to a screeching halt at about the 150' to 200' mark... Something about welding on the cylinder sleeves doesn't seem right.$.02

Let me know where they pull first and I'll bring my video camera...
 
CTDYoungGun said:
starting with a B-series Cummins, the block was bored out to accept John Deere 440 sleeves...so not only was the material in between cylinders completely removed, but the sleeves themselves had to be machined flat on the sides so they will fit in next to each other...however this would not be durable enough so the sides of the block were then CUT out so the sleeves could be welded together for "durability"...and the list goes on...

I promise this is too crazy to be made up and I am honestly concerned for the safety of the crowd and other competitors...what should be done tech wise to prevent people (or businesses) from being allowed to run stuff like this???
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Are you for real? Why would this be any more dangerous than taking an engine rated originally at +- 200hp. and making 1500hp. with it. Done properly this could very well be stronger than the original case. After personally seeing a welded crankshaft weight come off at 8,000 rpm and cut a 2x3 frame member clean in half in a outlaw 10.5 car, upper case fabrication is really way down on the list of dangers IMO.
 
I know that my cousins pulling tractor has a IH 466 block punched out to 700+/- cubes and the sleves are ground flat so that they fit, and it has never come apart, but he only runs 2750 RPM, not 4k+ like some of the pulling trucks out there. I think that if it fits it should be a decent running piece of equipment, as long as they have everything figured out.
 
GOT-Torque said:
Sounds like an expensive and time consuming project, that will most likely come to a screeching halt at about the 150' to 200' mark... Something about welding on the cylinder sleeves doesn't seem right.$.02

Let me know where they pull first and I'll bring my video camera...
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as for expensive, I doubt it was because they did all the machine work themselves...on an old arse mill with the block sitting on the ground...

time consuming...oh yessss, definitely saw vehicles at the shop long after midnight on a few nights when i was out running around...

and IF it survives their dyno I will find out where they plan to pull first and let you folks know so you can come watch (while wearing Kevlar vests of course)
 
I'll bring my ballistic helmet to go along with my vest...lol And safety glasses of course:rules:
 
Tricks like this work better with a deck plate.. but welding sleeves in place.. and doing as discribed are just tricks tractor pullers have been doing for years... You just don't see it on the out side..
 
to stop that kind of thing as stated in the second post you can just put a c.i. limit on the engines. they have this in tractors and in the gas alki world of the pulling trucks.
 
Tractor pullers do this all the time. In an Arias 8.3 block, the sleeves touch. If it as unsafe as you think it is, why would anyone (business or individual) put themselves at risk, especially if it is going to be run on a dyno inside a building before it is in the open on a track.
 
DPSolutions said:
Tractor pullers do this all the time. In an Arias 8.3 block, the sleeves touch. If it as unsafe as you think it is, why would anyone (business or individual) put themselves at risk, especially if it is going to be run on a dyno inside a building before it is in the open on a track.
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It is unsafe because the business doing it is the same business who last year blew up 2 engines and I don't know how many cracked heads...they can't even build a "stock" engine to run safely, that's why I worry about this one...if it does work, more power to them...however I have an extremely hard time believing it will live past the first pull...and if I get hit with a piece of hot metal from that piece of junk i can guarantee you they will have some major legal issues
 
I know who it is,
I know where it is,
I know it does exist, I have seen it first hand.
When completed it is said to be in the 460ci range, 500+ if it is stroked. That is all I am allowed to say.

As far as safety goes, I am sure it will go through thorough testing before it is presented to the general population.
 
A build up of that kind and your only concerned with being hit by a piece of debris. This topic could have far more interesting things to talk about. What cylinder head and how to get efficient air into an almost 30% larger engine through the restrictive obstacle's we deal with at 360cu.in.? What kind of fueling plans? Custom pistons with what for a bowl configuration to line up with what injector placement and spray angle? Or we could just :blahblah1: about if it will hold. If those are your concerns your probably better off never attending another motorsports event as alot of limits get pushed when your striving to beat the other guy. As far as your major legal issues wear something bright and colorful so the driver's can then pick you out in the crowd, its far easier to run you over than to uphold your dreams of a bountiful payout.
 
Any other word on the truck....like what association, what class, it's planning on running? the cylinderhead flow is one interesting bit, not to mention the bowl placement, what about the head gasket, or just simply sealing the head is their room left for firerings?
 
Bowl placement should be the same. I'm assuming a copper headgasket with holes where ever you want them. JD injectors.
 
CTDYoungGun said:
I have an extremely hard time believing it will live past the first pull...and if I get hit with a piece of hot metal from that piece of junk i can guarantee you they will have some major legal issues
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U are better off to stay on the porch then and not attend any events. For u to sue someone over that is pity. Its like going to a mud hole and excepting not to get muddy. It just doesnt happen
 
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