John Deere Cummins Rumor

duramaxin14 said:
U are better off to stay on the porch then and not attend any events. For u to sue someone over that is pity. Its like going to a mud hole and excepting not to get muddy. It just doesnt happen
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Ok, so now it's perfectly normal to get hit will scalding engine parts at local pulls...hmm, guess I missed something somewhere...

and to throw a whole lot more gas on this fire...the fact that an engine of this sort is being built doesn't surprise or worry me...however, the group of incompetent retards building it does...I personally have fixed 15 to 20 pumps they've screwed up or cobbled together and I've also personally heard 10+ customers whose trucks have been screwed up and cobbled back together and some even overcharged for it...I know the quality of work they do and the lack of money or knowledge put into their products and WHEN this POS comes apart I will grin ear to ear posting it all over the world wide web and showing anyone else I come in contact with
 
CTDYoungGun said:
Ok, so now it's perfectly normal to get hit will scalding engine parts at local pulls...hmm, guess I missed something somewhere...

and to throw a whole lot more gas on this fire...the fact that an engine of this sort is being built doesn't surprise or worry me...however, the group of incompetent retards building it does...I personally have fixed 15 to 20 pumps they've screwed up or cobbled together and I've also personally heard 10+ customers whose trucks have been screwed up and cobbled back together and some even overcharged for it...I know the quality of work they do and the lack of money or knowledge put into their products and WHEN this POS comes apart I will grin ear to ear posting it all over the world wide web and showing anyone else I come in contact with
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so if you dont give a rats ass about them and what they think then post the facts and quit beating around the bush.
 
I would assume JD style injectors as well with a 12V head to stay with the whole off axis spray pattern.

Hey lawsuit boy, since you dont care for this band of merry retards why dont you share with us who they are, whats the harm since you obviously dont care for them and do far superior work than they do. You can continue to plan your demise of them and their shop, the rest of us will work on the congratulations part of things for adapting concepts that work in other sports to our own sport.
 
I for one say that if someone is cobbling something together, then try to sneak it in a street class, with minimal safety requirements is BS. Is in creative? Yes.
As a diesel motorsport enthusiast a top priority is putting on a safe show. I fail to see the similarity of getting mud thrown, and being hit with a with a piece of an engine. I don't mind staying nearby when a mod truck goes by, they have good safety equipment. I think his point is, when can you say that you feel a vehicle isn't safe to run at a pull. That is part of Teching. If you see a vehicle and feel it isn't safe, you better not let them pull!
 
I love these uneducated post people start on here! :pop:


If you know so much about it Get us some pictures. Sounds like your good friends with them!:hehe:
 
Exactly Dan, it does need to be safe and for all we know it may be. Shrouding it in a safety controversy before the thing so much as fires is a bit extreme.
 
carfichris said:
why dont you share with us who they are, whats the harm since you obviously dont care for them and do far superior work than they do. You can continue to plan your demise of them and their shop
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St Joe Diesel is the builder/puller and I'm sure Steve is the one in charge of the entire project seeing as he owns the place.

Also, I do believe we do much better work then they do, simply because of the knowledge base I have to lean on and the desire of our owners to make a better and more reliable product whether it is Tractor Pulling or a stock rebuild on a pickup turbo...our customers get a straight story on what they need, sometimes they don't like it because they don't want to spend the money, but most appreciate the honesty and integrity given to them.

Before you ask, I work at Diesel Performance Engineering in Savannah, Mo
 
I applaude the efforts to think outside the box even if it blows pumb to the moon. :D
 
I havent heard anything bad about St Jo, but then again someone hates on every shop for one reason or another. If you guys are in the same area, maybe you should convince your owners to build your own cummins/tractor hybrid and ya'll can have a pull off. Shouldnt be a problem since your obviously the far superior shop........ because you said so.
 
carfichris said:
I haven't heard anything bad about St Jo, but then again someone hates on every shop for one reason or another. If you guys are in the same area, maybe you should convince your owners to build your own Cummings/tractor hybrid and y'all can have a pull off. Shouldn't be a problem since your obviously the far superior shop........ because you said so.
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Excellent post! I had one in draft similar to yours. I was just thinking that DPE must be getting nervous. I don't know why they would be so worried about what their neighbor is doing. I have had no dealings with DPE so I really cant comment on them. However if they did do me wrong I would not drop to the level of bashing a company on the boards. It really shows the maturity of some of these individuals.
 
You forget guys, you are talking to an expert. His explanation of popping while building boost on the line is slipping timing. He also states that the truck that is popping is powered by an 8.3L Cummins.

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11893&highlight=popping+building+boost

yep, it's craig and i taked to him at the agency pull last weekend...it seems to be getting worse the more he pulls with it (either the timing that much more off or a dead cylinder getting worse and worse)

and to answer the question about the 8.3L ...yea, it's a C-series cummins 8.3 liter engine stuffed in it...not a B-series
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There is no way it slid past tech with an 8.3L, especially since rule #26 in the NWMTPA states-
26. OEM cylinder blocks and heads from 1 ton or smaller vehicles must be used.

Do you think that as well as that truck pulls, anyone is just going to overlook that little bit of info? I think not.

BigYellowIron How many years of experience do you have working in the diesel industry?"
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Does sweeping the shop floor coun't?
 
I also don't think that any company in their right mind, no matter who it is, would submit anything into the general population that would be anymore unsafe than the motorsport is in general. I am sure all safety issues are and will be addressed.
 
I have seen a lot of st. joe stuff, personally been around pumps they have built, and driven trucks with their pumps and injectors. I have no complaints, and or problems. Customer service is awesome from what i've seen. Steve likes to experiment, which some may see as bad, but it's only furthering the sport. As far as being safe, Tractor guys have been doing it for years, why would this be different? I'm sure it'll be as safe as any other truck. Are you teling me a b-series turning double the stock rpms, at three times the boost on a stock bottom end is better? Their are several trucks doing that, no problems....it just sounds like a personal grudge that needs to be settled elsewhere.
 
I support the outside the box thinking and the follow through to attempt stuff like this. What I don't support, is for this sort of thing to go on and those people trying to run it in a class that doesn't allow it.

As far as crowd safety goes, I don't think it's any different than anything else you see on the track. From people with stock drivelines sending ujoints into the crowd or farm tractors shooting turbo exhaust wheels (still glowing red) into the air.

I've never stepped foot into St. Joe Diesel and don't have any reason to as I do all my own work, however I've heard from a few dissappointed customers. I have a few videos of thier shop truck in action, however in every video they either couldn't get it to light the turbo or they blew it up...
 
I agree with what you are saying. If their is no cubic inch limit, though why not? I also agree with what you are saying about their truck, I wasn't impressed by it either, but I do know what kind of experimenting they were doing when i saw it, and they say it was wrong. In the business you will have pleased customers and disgruntiled ones. I just feel this is the wrong place to bash them without proof that it is unsafe, without it being completly finished. On a side note I personally know a person who pulls tractors, and have a lot of major acomplishments, who ran st. joe pumps, stopped simply because they went to Sigma's. like I said everyone has different experiences with companies, go with who you like
 
NCOVEY said:
You forget guys, you are talking to an expert.

There is no way it slid past tech with an 8.3L, especially since rule #26 in the NWMTPA states-
26. OEM cylinder blocks and heads from 1 ton or smaller vehicles must be used.

Do you think that as well as that truck pulls, anyone is just going to overlook that little bit of info? I think not.



Does sweeping the shop floor coun't?
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Since you love to smart off...point out one place where I claimed I was an expert...that's right I didn't...I went the other way, stating that I have a lot of "safety net" to fall back on as I learn more and more about pumps by the knowledge the owners at DPE have, not my own knowledge (which is growing every day)

Also, if you know anything about NWTPA other than their website address...you should definitely know that teching is a joke in most aspects, especially in the pickups...I'm not slamming the association, but that's how it is...

Not counting sweeping floors I've worked on diesel engines for somewhere around 5 years...I'm 20 years old and by no means an expert, but I do know a hell of a lot more than the ever growing group of keyboard jockies online who know everything by reading their diesel magazine and copying what others post

It's blatantly obvious I do not care for St Joe Diesel at all, but putting that aside...no one here has proven to me yet how an engine built by this shop without necessary tooling or knowledge is safe to run down the track...had scheid, riverside, etc built the motor I would believe it to be safe...because they are ENGINE BUILDERS...

This is the last of my posts on this thread, so crucify me if you want...but the camera will be rolling come pulling season :Cheer:
 
1. No you may not have come out and point blank said "I am an expert", but every time you post it you come across as a know it all. You have an input on everything whether it is correct information or not. A lot of people come here to learn tips and tricks on how to modify there truck, if you go telling incorrect information, and they take it to heart something expensive is going to get messed up, or some one hurt. I don't know a fraction of what a lot of guys and gals on here do, so that is why if I don't know for a fact, I keep my grubby hands of the key board. Maybe I just take what you say in the wrong context, but that is how I see it.

2. I do know more about the NWMTPA, than just the web address. I was at the rules meeting, where were you, if you think it is so bad? It is a lot easier to stand on the side lines and complain about it than to come to a meeting as a member and have some input on how things are ran. No, the teching may not be the strictest, but there is no way that an 8.3l just slid through unnoticed. If the the teching was down to a gnats behind everytime there was a pull, pretty soon there wouldn't be a diesel truck class around this part of missouri, there isn't enough people that are dedicated pullers to keep things alive that way. I assure you though saftey is a top priority, and the rules did get even more strict in that aspect, for 2008.

3.Why is anything SJD built anymore unsafe than anything anyone else builds? Yes there has been a few problems with the way their truck has ran, but there wasn't anything out of the norm that hasn't happened at any other truck and tractor pull in this country. Why are they anymore unsafe than what Joe Blow truck puller has built in his barn or shop? You don't mind watching them go down the track at 4,000 rpm or higher, things happen no matter the builder. It is just the nature of the sport, when you start pushing mechanical objects past their limits, things go BOOM.

If you would have come on here asking or talking about the rumor of a big cube Cummins based on a 5.9L block instead of bashing another shop, or threatening lawsuits, you would have had a lot better reception. No no one said that you had to have a love affair with SJD, but when you come on here bashing the crap out of them just for trying something different, it makes you look bad, and the reputation of the shop you work for look bad. Every day your actions reflect upon your employer when you bash another company, and then turn around and tell someone who you work for.
I apologize for earlier post coming out as a personal attack, but the crap you wrote, and the way you wrote it just lit my fuse. Please feel free to join the association and have some input on what happens, now that you have a truck to build on maybe you can offer up some friendly competition in these parts.:cool: -Nicholas
 
Its the people like CTDYoungGun that make these sites look like crap. He is only on here for one reason. To run his mouth, weather it makes sense or not. I am still trying to figure out why CTDYG is so worried about what SJD is doing. I wonder if he is building a pulling truck to compete?
 
I heard there running 2 engines, one in the bed and one in the engine bay.:bang:hehe::clap:. I know some of them incompetent retards that are quite educated. What does DPE have up there sleeve? You figured out how to put air intakes on duramaxes yet????:owned:

Yours Truly
Rob Hall
 
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