mod engine cost ?

[smokinrod]

made lots of calls today 50,000 to 65,000 for a full runnin dyno tuned engine (you supply the original runnin motor) thats with pump (sigma non billit) and chargers.

so what can there be worth that much inside those engines?

 

[zstroken]

I have seen a competition long block for around $30K

 

[SmokeShow]

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so what can there be worth that much inside those engines?

Thats the reason they cost so much - because you don't know what to put in there to make them do what you want and they do. They know what to put inside those engines to do what you want; you don't so you have to pay someone that does know. Paying for knowledge.


C-ya

 

[silver03]

what are they doing to them and how much will it run to build?

When you look at the big money Items like
$8000 to $10,000 for a sigma
$8000 to $10,000 for turbos and piping
$2000 for a gear drive fuel pump
$5000 + for machining.
$2000 to $4000 for a water system
and you still have not purchased any motor componts or even built the motor yet.
I could see $50,000 to $60,000.

 

[JerrodGlover]

I think what "The Rod" is looking for here is just motor items not turbo-pump stuff. Here is the list I can think of:

Hard Parts:
Pistons
bearings
Valves
Valve Springs/Keepers
Roller Rockers
Billet Tappets
Pushrods
Girdle
Rod Bolts
Head Studs
Main Studs
Damper
Roller Cam

Labor would include:
Crank Grind and polish
Cam bearings
Bore/Hone
Port Head

What am I missing/forgetting?

 

[house]

a tractor engine with a 3x3 turbo putting out 1400hp is around 30k ive heard

 

[GSM-01]

I think what "The Rod" is looking for here is just motor items not turbo-pump stuff. Here is the list I can think of:

Hard Parts:
Pistons
bearings
Valves
Valve Springs/Keepers
Roller Rockers
Billet Tappets
Pushrods
Girdle
Rod Bolts
Head Studs
Main Studs
Damper
Roller Cam

Labor would include:
Crank Grind and polish
Cam bearings
Bore/Hone
Port Head

What am I missing/forgetting?

So every last litle part, bolt, gasket, etc... Is replaced with something custom built, made, machined, etc... Not suprised with that. 1400hp ain't cutting it anymore as it is so you better think of something thats going to get it up higher than that. 1400 will put you at the back of the pack everytime.

 

[TAZMAN10]

The cost of these trucks and engines will syrocket over the next few years. With the electronic engines, you can use ground sensing radar to control wheel speed vs ground speed. The soft limiters will allow a lot of control over variables that are not available right now. Using excellerometers and a few other sensors that are already available there should be the ability to make the trucks really hook up.

If the sport keeps growing at the rate it is, the advances are endless. PPE has been playing with the RPM limit in the common rail Cummins also. It's only a matter of time before someone with unlimited resources steps the class up. I went through this in the pro street ranks and with in 2 years the cost went from 80,000 to 300,000 for a competative car. I hope we can contain the cost for a while but I know there are some pullers already working towards the technology. No matter what happens, Haisley's, Sheid's, and people like Erik have brought the sport to a new level already.

Just my thoughts on the issue!

 

[BigBadDodge]

When you look at the big money Items like
$8000 to $10,000 for a sigma
$8000 to $10,000 for turbos and piping
$2000 for a gear drive fuel pump
$5000 + for machining.
$2000 to $4000 for a water system
and you still have not purchased any motor componts or even built the motor yet.
I could see $50,000 to $60,000.

Why do you have to use a sigma pump? sure it's the nats a-s-s but is it required?

BBD

 

[BigBadDodge]

Lets not forget the cost of getting the mod motor power to the ground, i.e. blow proof sfi can, 4 disc clutch, reverser, intermidiete shaft, drop box, drivelines, rockwells, billet spools, huge axles, custom wheels, bar tires, you will need elctric over hydrolic steering, and hydrolic pump, corsa data system, water injection tank and lines, fuel lines, air gulitine, engine and damper shielding, getting down to some small stuff here but you get the picture etc....

BBD

 

[smokinrod]

Why do you have to use a sigma pump? sure it's the nats a-s-s but is it required?

BBD

because the 2 shops I called said that they were runnin the ag pumps (nepisido or what ever it is called ) and then they went to the sigma and were able to go up 2 gears, bolth said they don't use the billit sigmas

 

[smokinrod]

Lets not forget the cost of getting the mod motor power to the ground, i.e. blow proof sfi can, 4 disc clutch, reverser, intermidiete shaft, drop box, drivelines, rockwells, billet spools, huge axles, custom wheels, bar tires, you will need elctric over hydrolic steering, and hydrolic pump, corsa data system, water injection tank and lines, fuel lines, air gulitine, engine and damper shielding, getting down to some small stuff here but you get the picture etc....

BBD

right I beleive that I am lookin well into the 6 figures for a complete package ready to run down track

 

[GSM-01]

Why do you have to use a sigma pump? sure it's the nats a-s-s but is it required?

BBD

Well its simple really. Look at "How Do You Like Me Now" did over this season without it and everyone else with it. "Like Me Now" was definately around 1400hp and everyone else was upwards of 17-1800hp. My indy video is around the videos on compD somewhere and the distance is very noticable.

 

[GSM-01]

right I beleive that I am lookin well into the 6 figures for a complete package ready to run down track

120-130k. Its was the average truck costs (minus awesome paint)

 

[Slick]

I think building a mod truck is one of those deals where, if you have to ask what it costs you can't afford it(or shouldn't try to afford it)... Most guys in this class are either: in the biz(Schied, Haisley, EEP, etc.), or can do a lot of the work their self(Watson), or have the money and just write the check.

 

[smokinrod]

I think building a mod truck is one of those deals where, if you have to ask what it costs you can't afford it(or shouldn't try to afford it)... Most guys in this class are either: in the biz(Schied, Haisley, EEP, etc.), or can do a lot of the work their self(Watson), or have the money and just write the check.

no ,I don't think so. you don't learn anything from just writing a check. we know more than we say, but it never hurts to hear other peoples Ideas.
if and when we build one, we want to build it so that we will allways know what is wrong with it or how to fix it since we do not want to be married to a shop 6hrs away.

 

[Slick]

So you would fall under this category^^

I'm just saying that for someone with a set limited budget a mod truck is probably not the smartest thing to build. I mean what if the class rules change in a year or two and your stuck with a 125K paperweight?

 

[DieselTweaker]

Well its simple really. Look at "How Do You Like Me Now" did over this season without it and everyone else with it. "Like Me Now" was definately around 1400hp and everyone else was upwards of 17-1800hp. My indy video is around the videos on compD somewhere and the distance is very noticable.

You have no idea what your talking about. Yes you can make 1700 hp with these motors but keep them together for more than one run. 1400-1500hp is a good safe level and i know of a couple mod trucks that are tuned in that area one I was with personally at the dyno.

As far as sigma's it's the best horse power you can bolt on to a truck and it's one less thing you have to worry about the pump will live and make more usable power and take you down the track. I see them every day at work and someone mentioned Billet sigmas no reason for one a truck the cc's of fuel that a stock housing sigma can make is more than enough than a 5.9 will take.

Zach

 

[DieselTweaker]

made lots of calls today 50,000 to 65,000 for a full runnin dyno tuned engine (you supply the original runnin motor) thats with pump (sigma non billit) and chargers.

so what can there be worth that much inside those engines?

It dosnet take to long to wrap up the money you have alot of work that just go's into the block alone for the camshaft and roller lifters, having everything trued up and re-honed, and then you come to the head work and that is up to how far you want to go. There is much more that go's into it than most people know, but all and all it's not that bad to pull it off.

Zach

 

[BigBadDodge]

1400-1500hp is a good safe level and i know of a couple mod trucks that are tuned in that area
Zach

Agree, and I don't think you need a sigma pump to be at that level.

BBD