PPP rules update

It is not going backwards; it is a class that does not take a 60k truck to compete in and a 3" motor will last several seasons. My 3" truck competed with the twin boys fine (4th in indy ,2nd in racine) I do not see it as backwards. we have 13 very compeitive trucks in IL I would say that is moving forwards from the unlimited single days when we had 4or 5

Bill,
You have released your schedule, 3 big shows, and ITPA.

Do you see any of your guys out there, that will follow a 3.0 circuit over several states?
I dont blame those guys for pulling ITPA, plenty of local hooks, and good money.

I can't push that class where there are no 3.0 trucks pulling.

Johnboy, Street 3.0s in general will not pull against trucks like Bill's.(I know you will, you aint askeered of nuthin!)
 
There was a great 3.0" class at Scheid's last year, won't those guys travel??? Shoot, I would if I was a little closer.

-Tom
 
Tom, I explained that in another thread you asked the same question, did you not read or just cant hear?
 
I don't remember sleddy, and I don't have time to research it so get off my back.

-Tom
 
LOL! I cant believe you forget what the master says!!!:bow:

2007 SDX 3.0 class consisted of a handful of trucks like Bills,(sheetmetal and frame is the only thing stock-Rockwells, drop boxes, solid suspension,etc) above, from the ITPA that only hit nearby large pulls.
(Terre Haute Indiana is on Illinois border, for those of you from the west coast)

and bushed 2.8 street trucks, that had their class yanked out from underneath them, and had no place else to run, if they wanted to pull at SDX.

So yes, if you want to leave you truck at Effingham, and run ITPA the 3.0 class is for you Tom, but dont expect it anywhere else in the country. There just isn't any interest.
 
Ok I kinda remember now, but what my point is, is a stock driveline truck won SDX proving that all those bushed trucks could be competitive in that class, so why not offer it instead of basically "a modified with dot tires" class?

-Tom
 
Because, aside from Illinois, and parts of Indiana, no where else where I put pulls on, wants a 3.0 unlimitied drivetrain class.
Its like a 2.8 bushed street class without the bushing, and UL drivetrain, its as close to Street trucks, as SS is to Mod. A 3.2 class, with a smaller limitied twin would make more sense.

Brad Ingram winning that class with a Dana 80 is a bad example, as Brad was the Chief ...pusher ...for big drivetrain in the Super Street class. We finally gave in, and he proceeds not to switch. Out of those 19 trucks, I doubt 5 had big drivetrain, most of them were bushed 2.8 trucks. The Super Streets that showed were pushed into Modified where they were trounced. So, by running the 3.0 class, they pushed some SS down, some SS up and the 2.8s bushed had to go up. And the 3.0 HOARDS over in Illinois? They didn't show up.

Not entirely fair to the 2.8 bushed guys who have seen 70 plus trucks in the class before, nor the SS guys running with the Mods, who have had very repectable numbers in their class also.

You guys are used to pulling in any class, that your truck fits in. Back here, the pullers throw a FIT if they have to run against something bigger and better than what they have.

Besides,the NADM SS class was built by and for the pullers-telling them to throw away their 3.5 singles and bushed twins now would be slapping them in the face. If the 3.0 guys would have ever showed some support, and ran against the big turboed trucks even a couple times, their opinions would mean something. Basically, the 3.0 guys(1or 2, I believe, the rest show no interest in leaving town) want the entire class to revolve around them, and if a pull comes close, run over and have a shot at taking the money.

Mods now are into tube frames, fiberglass bodies, Cepeks, unlimitied turbos- a HUGE difference between a Super Street truck. That is why I always called it Modified, and not Super Stock, like some other clubs.

There is way more to this than just changing a turbo size. If you studied all the different organizations rules, and the politics of the shops trying to control the rules, and the politics of the pullers trying to ban the winners,(instead of beating them) you would understand more.(you should hear the fireworks on billet blocks right now!!:pop:)

Consider me the neutral party that has to listen to them all and sort it out.
It has to be fair to the makes (D stands for DIESEL, not Dodge, or Duramax, or ForD) of trucks, the pullers, the shops, the promoters and most important, the fans.

However, I have put it front of a few shops that want the 3.0, that sponsorship would be welcome-- the buck stops there, in a HURRY. You would think out of the MILLIONS (yes, millions, several)that have been made from Diesel pulling, somebody would step up and sponsor a class they are fond of.

Put a 3.5 on Tom, and come play.:rockwoot:Then switch back to the 3.0 for the easy money. Changing a single turbo is 20 minutes, max in the pits.
 
I believe a goo dnumber of pulls in KY are gonna be 3.0 this year where they were 2.8 last year, FWIW. Point is, it's not just one little region or state that is utilizing the 3.0 class. Seems to me it is an up-n-coming class the way I see it. Kinda like the 2.5/2.6 class(es).


I see the ideal class breaks like this:

--Work Stock a.k.a. stock turbo class for true beginners
--2.5/2.6 Class
--3.0 Class with oe-style drivetrain and uncut DOT tires
Unlimited Single/3.5" Bushed twins Class w/ unlimited drivetrain & uncut DOT tires (Might could get away with 3.5" single bushed and 3.5" unbushed twins? I don't know enough about twins to know what is really equivilant to a single, size-wise)
--Mod Class - basically OE style block, and #2 only
--Open Mod Class - same as above except allow non-OE blocks (for ex. DT466)and alcohol burners (like the alcohol tractors). :rockwoot:


I don't really see a push or need for that last class just yet but it might be fun for fans to see if there were some trucks built for that class. They would surely be a site to see! :bow:



C-ya
 
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I believe a goo dnumber of pulls in KY are gonna be 3.0 this year where they were 2.8 last year, FWIW. Point is, it's not just one little region or state that is utilizing the 3.0 class. Seems to me it is an up-n-coming class the way I see it. Kinda like the 2.5/2.6 class(es).


C-ya


The central and southern half of Ohio is 3.0, stock drive line though
 
A 3.0 stock driveline is virtually a 2.8 bushed- that class makes sense, at least.


Guys be careful about reading the turbo size in the class and thinking its the same as another class- you have to read the entire class rules to decide whether the class will cross state lines.
 
Wide Open Pulling Series in Kentucky is running 2.5 and 2.8, and they have pretty much set the standard for Diesel truck rules in Kentucky.
 
Put a 3.5 on Tom, and come play.:rockwoot:Then switch back to the 3.0 for the easy money. Changing a single turbo is 20 minutes, max in the pits.


I already have something in the works for a bigger charger, but I want to go big driveline regardless soon.

-Tom
 
Wide Open Pulling Series in Kentucky is running 2.5 and 2.8, and they have pretty much set the standard for Diesel truck rules in Kentucky.


Not really sleddy, He would like to think he has, But a majority of the pulls in most of KY where most of your pullers are from are NKTPA, and ORVTPA which both will be running 3.0 stock driveline classes. WideOpen will have a number of pulls in central and southern ky with thier biggest pull definatly being TS. NKTPA was 3.0 last season just most of the people didnt take the time to read the rules. (Both of our trucks were 3.0 the hole season) Just counted 20 hooks between the 2 clubs already

Wide Open has 8 or 9

Then ya go to Ohio and you are mostly 3.0 classes, or 2.8 bushed (which are the 3.0 trucks sliding a bushing in. You dont need unlimited drivetrain in the 3.0 class

Travis
 
Cooper wanted pro street to be 3.0 but he wasn't there to fight for it.

That's because they wouldn't answer my simple-assed question on the other board, before the meeting, and they only have ONE hook listed for their Pro Street (open-driveline in this case) Diesels anyway (and it's in By God WV BTW). So it would seem to me that PPP has almost zero interest in it, and I loathe going to stupid meetings where nothing happens. So screw it.

Plus, I still have a bad taste in my mouth about a crew who does so little teching that a 2.8" truck is allowed to put a whoopin' on stock-turbo trucks in a stock-turbo class, and it's all good, everyone laughs, hahaha, just frickin' great. Real classy. I guess they were too busy chumming up to their headline gasser trucks.....oh well. It would seem that the diesel pickups are a tack-on for them, not a focus area like seemingly everyone else.

Those new rules are by far the goofiest set I've seen. No FHW, forget that. It also amazes me that we STILL have clubs coming up with their own goofy rules. WTF? Why can't they fall in line so they actually attract a following? Pullers are going to take one look at these rules, laugh, and walk away. This is a class for kids.

Also I notice that PPP isn't posting purses. Why?

FPP has their act much more together on this class and the hooks look good, so I'll be running with them again. And I'll try to support Gene and the NADM.....which I just realized is "DAMN" with the letters jumbled up.

:D Rant off.
 
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Gotcha Travis, more 3.0 stuff, stock drivetrain, it pays to read allll the rules, doesn't it?

I expect the guys running 3.0 stock drivetrain will fight tooth and nail to keep it that way.They wont want "rongers" coming in and taking the glory.

More proof-3.0 UL Drivetrain is a non class in pretty much the rest of the country.
 
Those new rules are by far the goofiest set I've seen. No FHW, forget that. It also amazes me that we STILL have clubs coming up with their own goofy rules. WTF? Why can't they fall in line so they actually attract a following? .

Been trying to stop that since the beginning, *bdh**bdh*but you can't fix,

"We want to make our rules so the cats in Henry county wont make us look bad" syndrome.:banned:

Its pathetic, and shameful, and no wheres even near close to sportsmanlike, but I have seen it from the top of the sport down to the bottom.

I'll keep trying matt! LOL
 
I would like to have a unlimited single unlimited drivetrain limited twins class in the area, I would prolly build a truck for it. I ran a 3.5 charger two hooks this summer and the truck ran awesome but the trans couldnt take it. But like you said you have to go to western indiana and ill to find some hooks. I just dont see the money in the pullers around here. The 2.5 or 2.6 class is booming cuz it is cheap. Thier is some good competition in the 2.8 bushed 3.0 class but it takes some serious HP and some money to get into it

Travis
 
The 2.5 or 2.6 class is booming cuz it is cheap. Thier is some good competition in the 2.8 bushed 3.0 class but it takes some serious HP and some money to get into it

Travis


Well, I'd say 2.6" is cheaper, not cheap. Mostly because 2.6" is going to break less stuff. But people are still putting stupid money in their trucks for these lower classes. And I'll probably be excommunicated for saying this, but I think Camp GM is mainly responsible. I guess it wouldn't matter which brand it was; the runner-up who is within inches of the front will always have the strongest motivation.
 
Up here it is now 3.0 Stock driveline rules and I wish it was unlimited. The stock driveline cost more to run than if we would switch over to rockwells and dropboxes.
 
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