Rule idea?

Sledpuller said:
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Some guys think street trucks dont need alternators...among other things.... and you think you can get them to agree on a spec charger? hehehehe.

Excellent idea in theory, virtually impossible in real life.
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Just use your sledpulling expertise and pick a spec charger for the classes Gene. :poke: Then they don't have a choice, rules are rules, right?
 
a spec charger rule would regulate the competition and probably make more of a noticable difference between classes as to a spectators view, but honestly i wouldn't like the idea of being limited to a certain charger manufacturer for various reasons. Not just me, but lets say if you made the rule out to basically everybody can only run a Silver Bullet 66, some people may not like I.I. products and also, not saying I.I. would do this, but if it were limited to that one and only charger, then what is now a $1800-$2000 charger (I think) would probably then become a $3-$4000 charger all because that manufacturer knows that they need that charger to be able to compete, and they know they have no other choice than to buy that charger. Even if you do a sponcer ship deal with prize money or a sign on vouture for that turbo, doesn't mean they still won't jack the price up. Kinda like a %15 off sale at a hardware store, but just a week or 2 before they jacked the prices up just to get ready for the sale. Another problem i see is getting all of the organizations to go with one spec charger. What happens when say NKTPA goes with lets say a ProStreet 66 only rule, but then a Southern OH or IN orginazation only allows a Silver Bullet 66. Guys that don't have a pull that week end that want to run with the other orginazation either has to buy another turbo for just that weekend or just sit at home. Again, no insult or assumptions to any turbo manufacturers, just using them as examples...

Thats my $.02... Just something to think about.
 
all good points,

but my idea was to contact more than one supplier for the chargers, many companies produce s300, have them make a charger, submit it for approval, if the organization passes it then it would be a approved 2.6 charger. This would keep prices low, to prevent people from getting ripped off.

Mitch, that would be part of the power restraint, Sure they might be a 900 hp truck, but if he blows chargers half track everyone then he is wasting his money and still not winning. Detune to where its competitive and stays together.

Of course this would have to happen with a national oraganization, as most smaller organization base their rules of the larger one.
 
Turbo Performance said:
Just use your sledpulling expertise and pick a spec charger for the classes Gene. :poke: Then they don't have a choice, rules are rules, right?
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As true as that is, NADM goes out of our way to make rules INCLUSIVE, not exclusive.
However, the guys that are stripping their street trucks, are going to be watching from the stands!!


Wes, your point is well made and SHOULD work, but as soon as the smaller groups get beat a couple times by an outsider, they will blame it on the turbo rule and change their rules for their own little party.

It is in the vast majority of pullers blood to lock their neighbor out of the class if they can do it, instead of beating them on the track, like a sportsman.

I bet getting the manufactures on the same page would be easier than the pullers.
If you show them that that NADM backs this rule with say 10 other orgs that have at least 80% approval rating from their members, they would jump on it.
Especially with the 2.6 class, because they could sell that right to the street crowd.
 
Gene,

Im sure some of the small organizations would get together on this, as much controversy and debate over turbocharger rules. I know one i KY that would prob go for it, (in 2011) and then the others would follow to keep trucks pulling with both. If a Ohio and indiana organization would commit to running this rule, i think it would spread easily.

No trying to knock anyone, hopefully make it cheaper to compete, provide a fair setting in a highly debated rule, and distinguish the classes apart.
 
lets do a restrictor plate , under the intake horn like a 2in hole
 
I know for a fact, no one will detune for this. They will blow turbos up and then complain about how much cheaper it was when they could just run s400's.
 
GRotman said:
I know for a fact, no one will detune for this. They will blow turbos up and then complain about how much cheaper it was when they could just run s400's.
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I could see this, but after they buy a couple maybe they would change their mind? Either the complain cause they think someone has an illegal charger or complain cause the wont stay together?

What are all the options with a s366 on the exhaust side?
 
The popular turbine wheels are:65mm,68,71,74
housings:12cm,13, 14,16
 
Technically this is very doable and is likely a step in the right direction.

However if people figure out that massive overspeeding gets wins, then you will see people trashing them all the time.....which is exactly what the tractor guys have gone through. I had a prostock puler tell me once that if they had it set on kill, they had committed to potentially blowing the charger up.

One other thought, do you eliminate wastegates? If not, do you have to use the supplied wastegate (and then not be allowed to run an external gate)? Just thinking out loud on this.

So this may not end up being a cost saver, but it will be a technical field leveler. You get so many pounds per minute of air to work with and that's about it. It would be a race to see who could burn the fuel most effectively. Sounds like a good challenge.

My gut tells me that an S400 frame might be a better place to start, and spec the compressor wheel (and maybe the cover).

Dunno.
 
nwpadmax said:
Technically this is very doable and is likely a step in the right direction.

However if people figure out that massive overspeeding gets wins, then you will see people trashing them all the time.....which is exactly what the tractor guys have gone through. I had a prostock puler tell me once that if they had it set on kill, they had committed to potentially blowing the charger up.

One other thought, do you eliminate wastegates? If not, do you have to use the supplied wastegate (and then not be allowed to run an external gate)? Just thinking out loud on this.

So this may not end up being a cost saver, but it will be a technical field leveler. You get so many pounds per minute of air to work with and that's about it. It would be a race to see who could burn the fuel most effectively. Sounds like a good challenge.

My gut tells me that an S400 frame might be a better place to start, and spec the compressor wheel (and maybe the cover).

Dunno.
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This would be a good start.
 
What about this-forget the turbo- preset and sealed pop off valves.

Nobody goes over 20PSI.:charger:
 
Just make it a naturally aspirated class. Much cheaper and easier to tech.
 
GRotman said:
Just make it a naturally aspirated class. Much cheaper and easier to tech.
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And you would break a whole lot less driveline parts :D

Finally the Ford guys would have the advantage after all these years!!! :hehe:
 
There are T4 turbine options for the S300's as well.....Lots of them

There would be some grumbling for sure, the guys who already have their chargers being forced to buy another and so on.
 
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