Rule idea?

[zstroken]

One issue is the spec charger the money still wins, it won't take that out of it. If you don't think the money comes into play, just look at the 3x3 superfarm turbo that precision turbo builds, that is one bad charger, but it has about a $3800 price tag.
I think the spec charger opens a new set of issues, would it be better or worse? Who knows. Maybe a new class comes out of this for follks to try? Say have a spec charger class in addition to the existing classes and see how it goes.

If this is a goal to drop the price of the class then I am not sure if this is the right way to do it.

The other thing is to tighten up the rule about just a specific inducer bore and the wheel must protrude into the bore x amount. Then that still leaves it open to garret, holse, borg, chinese knockoffs, etc, etc

 

[Pat McSwain]

To the original topic, I don't believe it would be fair to those who have to buy their turbos to make them buy a new charger to compete when their existing charger is legal. 2.6" is a sportsman class for daily drivers, not a max effort class. Keeping costs down should always be a priority.

Not to mention it would automatically ban all the Duramaxes who run the factory charger in 2.6".

 

[Smokem]

S300, S400 frame size, not limited to a single brand, no contoured wheels.

 

[zstroken]

no contoured wheels.

Then this might create the limited run stuff from the small turbo manufacturers, like bullseye and stuff. It would have to get down to some specific approved unaltered compressor wheels.

 

[Smokem]

Since when has Bullseye Power been a "small" company, and why would it be difficult to notice a recontoured or stepped wheel?

 

[ILLINOISRAM]

Atleast is pretty obvious Scheids is doing the exact opposite of what it seems to me this thread and others are trying to accomplish. Id say as a group we think the 2.6 class needs the reigns tightend up. Scheids decieded that $5000+ dollar heads and intakes and $4500 ag gov pumps are needed plus no bushings in turbos so s480s are still allowed you just have to have a cover made.LOL

Tim

 

[zstroken]

Since when has Bullseye Power been a "small" company, and why would it be difficult to notice a recontoured or stepped wheel?

Maybe small was the wrong word, but I am sure honeywell could buy and sell bullseye from their discretionary funds.


I didn't say it would be difficult to notice a recontoured or stepped wheel.


Anybody remember the 302 chevrolet engine? These were specific built limited run items that were made for the competition world. It appears that this rule could be heading that way.

 

[Steel Weight'n]

What's the point in even having more than one class? Just throw everyone in one class. You don't have a problem pulling against mods, right?

Edit: RAWdiesel beat me to it. :doh:

I like a spec turbo rule for the lower classes, as long as everyone still has options in who gets their money for the turbo, it levels the playing field a little more, and encourages creativity and skill to win. This is a far cry from a spec engine class. Just my $.02

I never said hey lets throw them all together!! I am saying what is wrong with the way it is now???? Nothing said as to have 1 main class......

Thanks

 

[mech2161]

Atleast is pretty obvious Scheids is doing the exact opposite of what it seems to me this thread and others are trying to accomplish. Id say as a group we think the 2.6 class needs the reigns tightend up. Scheids decieded that $5000+ dollar heads and intakes and $4500 ag gov pumps are needed plus no bushings in turbos so s480s are still allowed you just have to have a cover made.LOL

Tim

Scheid sells all that stuff so their going to allow it. More money in their pocket, even if it means less truck pulling.

 

[dieseljunkie]

We beat this 2.6 turbo conversation into the ground every winter. Start smaller, spec compressor wheel (max inducer. max exducer). As opposed to spec frame size. I dont disagree with the s300 idea but we could limit what is already out thier in 2.6 and keep the stronger s400. The fans arnt gunna notice the difference from the stands (which frame) but the competition will tighten up. Whatever.*bdh*

 

[zstroken]

Tigtening up the turbo charger spec actually will probably further increase the costs. To get the advantage, more money will have to be spent on cams, heads, and engine work. Setup could be crucial, but setup has always been a big part.

 

[dieseljunkie]

Tigtening up the turbo charger spec actually will probably further increase the costs. To get the advantage, more money will have to be spent on cams, heads, and engine work. Setup could be crucial, but setup has always been a big part.

You said it yourself: setup has always been a big part. Guys running in the top spots in 2.6 already have spent big money on cam,heads, and engine work.

 

[dzchey21]

Im kinda late to jump into the thread, but I dont really know where to begin.

The 2.6 class is crazy, i mean it takes what 800+hp to be competitive back east? The work stock class is 550 hp give or take, so there is a huge jump in power to get to the 2.6 level. A 66mm charger on my powerstroke will be luckey to make anymore power than the stock turbo's do now. And as far as regulating the boost pressure to 20 psi, a cummins will probably still win that battle to because of cylinder head flow, Im not saying tha the 2.6 class is bad, but I really wish there was something in between the 2.6 class and the work stock just my .02 cents

 

[SmokeShow]

Im kinda late to jump into the thread, but I dont really know where to begin.

The 2.6 class is crazy, i mean it takes what 800+hp to be competitive back east? The work stock class is 550 hp give or take, so there is a huge jump in power to get to the 2.6 level. A 66mm charger on my powerstroke will be luckey to make anymore power than the stock turbo's do now. And as far as regulating the boost pressure to 20 psi, a cummins will probably still win that battle to because of cylinder head flow, Im not saying tha the 2.6 class is bad, but I really wish there was something in between the 2.6 class and the work stock just my .02 cents

you think it's a big step from 550 to 800, but its the same step in hp for going from 2.6 to hot 2.8/3.0 class (known hot 2.8 trucks have engine dynoed 1200-1400 hp, and no telling what a hot 3.0 truck would do). Yet, people (not you) are all about telling the guy in 2.6 if he'd "man up and run the class he's supposed because he has a built engine dedicated 2.6 pulling truck then things would be better" but it is a significant jump up from 2.6 to any class above it just like it's a significant jump from WS to 2.6.

The class spread is about as even as it gets. Yes, there's 'tweener trucks - trucks stuck between classes as far as ability - and there always will be regardless of what the rules are. You can NOT have 15 different classes with 5 trucks in each class. Well, I guess you could and then it'd be like gas trucks. :bang

IMO, NOTHING needs(ed) to be changed with 2.6. It doesn't need ag gov p-pumps, it doesn't need hood stacks, and doesn't need any turbo rule changes. Yet, it got those in an org. around here in spite of being the most competitive class in 2009. :doh: Why they changed that stuff is beyond me but I guess that's what the majority of the pullers in the class wanted. No, hood stacks don't add anything as far as performance goes so why not allow em? Mostly to shut up the whiners that complain about the 2.6 class not being a dedicated pulling truck class even though it is. This just enforces that it is just that, a class for dedicated pulling trucks.



I'll quit now. *bdh* LOL

 

[BigB82789]

I have an idea. Stop F#@king with the turbo rules so we don't have to buy new turbos every year!
After a year of b!tching and moaning NADM did NOT change their turbo rule and I applaud them for that. Do you really think they are going to take a step backward in classes? No! They are looking to get the most out of diesel motor sports by allowing competitors to push the limits of their platform.
If you don't take advantage of whats written or not written in the rules then its YOUR fault for not doing well.

 

[dzchey21]

you think it's a big step from 550 to 800, but its the same step in hp for going from 2.6 to hot 2.8/3.0 class (known hot 2.8 trucks have engine dynoed 1200-1400 hp, and no telling what a hot 3.0 truck would do). Yet, people (not you) are all about telling the guy in 2.6 if he'd "man up and run the class he's supposed because he has a built engine dedicated 2.6 pulling truck then things would be better" but it is a significant jump up from 2.6 to any class above it just like it's a significant jump from WS to 2.6.

The class spread is about as even as it gets. Yes, there's 'tweener trucks - trucks stuck between classes as far as ability - and there always will be regardless of what the rules are. You can NOT have 15 different classes with 5 trucks in each class. Well, I guess you could and then it'd be like gas trucks. :bang

IMO, NOTHING needs(ed) to be changed with 2.6. It doesn't need ag gov p-pumps, it doesn't need hood stacks, and doesn't need any turbo rule changes. Yet, it got those in an org. around here in spite of being the most competitive class in 2009. :doh: Why they changed that stuff is beyond me but I guess that's what the majority of the pullers in the class wanted. No, hood stacks don't add anything as far as performance goes so why not allow em? Mostly to shut up the whiners that complain about the 2.6 class not being a dedicated pulling truck class even though it is. This just enforces that it is just that, a class for dedicated pulling trucks.



I'll quit now. *bdh* LOL

Ok good explination, i see where your comming from, just hard for some of us to make that jump, daily drive ect.

I dont wanna run stock turbo's and hell most rules wont even let a guy run modified stock twin turbos (6.4) in any class.

I didnt realize the jump to 2.8 either, guess work stock it is for me :doh:

 

[Sledpuller]

I have an idea. Stop F#@king with the turbo rules so we don't have to buy new turbos every year!
After a year of b!tching and moaning NADM did NOT change their turbo rule and I applaud them for that.

Do you really think they are going to take a step backward in classes? No!

Well I won't say that wont happen, sometimes a class needs to take step back to rid itself of the craziness!! lol


They are looking to get the most out of diesel motor sports by allowing competitors to push the limits of their platform.
If you don't take advantage of whats written or not written in the rules then its YOUR fault for not doing well.

Thanks for giving us a high five, but NADM did not change the rule beause thats what the pullers wanted.

 

[Signature600]

And as far as regulating the boost pressure to 20 psi, a cummins will probably still win that battle to because of cylinder head flow

Just FYI, that was a joke...and the Duramax would win easily with that type of restrictions

Chris

 

[dzchey21]

Just FYI, that was a joke...and the Duramax would win easily with that type of restrictions

Chris

Esp with some so cal heads

I get what everyone is saying, I just sure wish a guy with a powerstroke could be competitive in a 2.6 class, without a small fortune, but it sounds like the top guys do have a small fortune anyway.

 

[Stingpuller]

Rules

My thought's from a ex. puller. I'd like to see the 2.6 class held in check but more rules will not do it! The more rules (turbo) the more it will make it a money thing. I get in fights all the time around here (central Ohio) with rules people because I would like to see a more entry level class. I don't know how it would work, But I think we need one. When I say that I mean at a local level. The big guns can run the national event's. Rules are a tough thing to do and be fair. Nobody want's to hear this but I think the weight should be dropped down some. Everyone keeps breaking drivetrain and tearing parts up. Most trucks as everyone around here always say's "these are purpose built trucks now, There not street trucks anymore" so dropping the weight should not be a problem. Your not going to limit the power! You can't see inside what a guy has done to his motor. But you can limit how much of that power he can put down to the ground! Drop the hitch down, drop the weight, maybe limit the tire size and then see who can drive and set-up there chassis. That wouldn't cost anyone anything(hitch,wieght) and would limit how much power they could use. Just some thought's from a dragracer that quit pulling because it was getting out of hand a few years ago. Flame away! Jeff