Rule idea?

Stingpuller said:
My thought's from a ex. puller. I'd like to see the 2.6 class held in check but more rules will not do it! The more rules (turbo) the more it will make it a money thing. I get in fights all the time around here (central Ohio) with rules people because I would like to see a more entry level class. I don't know how it would work, But I think we need one. When I say that I mean at a local level. The big guns can run the national event's. Rules are a tough thing to do and be fair. Nobody want's to hear this but I think the weight should be dropped down some. Everyone keeps breaking drivetrain and tearing parts up. Most trucks as everyone around here always say's "these are purpose built trucks now, There not street trucks anymore" so dropping the weight should not be a problem. Your not going to limit the power! You can't see inside what a guy has done to his motor. But you can limit how much of that power he can put down to the ground! Drop the hitch down, drop the weight, maybe limit the tire size and then see who can drive and set-up there chassis. That wouldn't cost anyone anything(hitch,wieght) and would limit how much power they could use. Just some thought's from a dragracer that quit pulling because it was getting out of hand a few years ago. Flame away! Jeff
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Oval tracks did a similar rule around here last year by going to a treaded tire rather than a slick, So HP wasnt as big of a factor as driver/set up, I like that Idea, minus the fact that my truck weighs 8400 lbs LOL
 
Sledpuller said:
Thanks for giving us a high five, but NADM did not change the rule beause thats what the pullers wanted.
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Why would you take a step back for a class? Doubt the sport would grow at all doing that, that's the whole object isnt it? Or are there some different motives here? I personally say its fine the way it is, those with the most money will most always be up at the top, if this is someones goal just to knock the top guys DOWN a peg that's not how a class will grow imo. Leave it alone, if you wanna run with the big dogs and don't have an unlimited budget, you'll find how to win if you want it bad enough. I've said it before, competition fuels innovation.
 
SledPuller21 said:
Why would you take a step back for a class? Doubt the sport would grow at all doing that, that's the whole object isnt it? Or are there some different motives here? I personally say its fine the way it is, those with the most money will most always be up at the top, if this is someones goal just to knock the top guys DOWN a peg that's not how a class will grow imo. Leave it alone, if you wanna run with the big dogs and don't have an unlimited budget, you'll find how to win if you want it bad enough. I've said it before, competition fuels innovation.
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Thats a good point, nascar diddnt get to 200 mph by limiting HP untill safety became and issue, and like any sport the guy with the most money is going to do well, but others can do well if they really wanna, great post man, I retract previous statements.
 
ive never pulled before...but i follow it closly and from what ive seen the 2.6 class gets abused and is getting outa control. its supposed to be a street driven truck...but most guys dont DD there 2.6 trucks. IMO this rule would bring more to the sport because you would have more guys being able to compete in this class. most guys cant drop 10k on an engine and compete in the 2.6 class. so by limiting turbo size to a S300 frame your taking the 800+ HP trucks and bringin them down to 700, and not have to spend so much $$$ on ur engine. it will bring more powerstrokes to the class. and for guys who dont like it, go to 2.8? i think its a great rule in my $.02 if something dosnt change i think 2.8 will go by by. the 2.6 guys put just as much money in there trucks as the 2.8 guys...you throw a 2.8 charger on a 2.6 truck, with some tuning your right there with dedicated 2.8 trucks...
 
7inchstack said:
ive never pulled before...but i follow it closly and from what ive seen the 2.6 class gets abused and is getting outa control. its supposed to be a street driven truck...but most guys dont DD there 2.6 trucks. IMO this rule would bring more to the sport because you would have more guys being able to compete in this class. most guys cant drop 10k on an engine and compete in the 2.6 class. so by limiting turbo size to a S300 frame your taking the 800+ HP trucks and bringin them down to 700, and not have to spend so much $$$ on ur engine. it will bring more powerstrokes to the class. and for guys who dont like it, go to 2.8? i think its a great rule in my $.02 if something dosnt change i think 2.8 will go by by. the 2.6 guys put just as much money in there trucks as the 2.8 guys...you throw a 2.8 charger on a 2.6 truck, with some tuning your right there with dedicated 2.8 trucks...
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Limit to an s300 and save money? Please. I have an s400 that cost me 500 bucks. My old s300 was 1500!
 
7inchstack said:
ive never pulled before...but i follow it closly and from what ive seen the 2.6 class gets abused and is getting outa control. its supposed to be a street driven truck...but most guys dont DD there 2.6 trucks. IMO this rule would bring more to the sport because you would have more guys being able to compete in this class. most guys cant drop 10k on an engine and compete in the 2.6 class. so by limiting turbo size to a S300 frame your taking the 800+ HP trucks and bringin them down to 700, and not have to spend so much $$$ on ur engine. it will bring more powerstrokes to the class. and for guys who dont like it, go to 2.8? i think its a great rule in my $.02 if something dosnt change i think 2.8 will go by by. the 2.6 guys put just as much money in there trucks as the 2.8 guys...you throw a 2.8 charger on a 2.6 truck, with some tuning your right there with dedicated 2.8 trucks...
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If you wanna pull your DD pull workstock, if you think your DD should be placing top 3 every pull in 2.6 your mistaken, I dont think thats what this class is intended for. I dont think this rule would accomplish that anyhow, I think more in depth/expensive heads, cams, inj pumps, injs and more time spent tuning is what will come out. If you wanna win and have the money, your gonna win, or find a way to; its as simple as that. Like zstroken said, I think the cost to be competitive would actually go up.
 
i have no desire to pull..just staiting how i felt about it. you may spend more on a turbo...but you wont be spending 1000's on pumps and injectors and pistons, ect. and by not having to spend that much $$$ you will get more people into pulling, there for the sport grows? true or not true?
 
also some guys wanna pull more compeditively then work stock, but dont have to money to jump to 2.6, so there stuck
 
The gap is being slightly closed in the work stock, most 6.4's can make 600+ with just a tuner exhaust intake and pump mod, on stock turbos, and that number is only going to go up
 
yea but i havnt seen any 6.4's pullin 2.6 or 2.8 yet, and cummins and duramax cant make that much power on just a tune.. work stock is fine i think 2.6 needs to be toned down alittle..its to close to 2.8
 
well my goal was to pull in the 2.6 class this year, but 800 hp out of my daily driver is not looking like it will happen.
 
exactly what im trying to say... let 2.6 class still be streetable, i drove my truck with a 66, 5x.018's and a 13mm pump everyday. i wasnt making 800 hp, but it was a streetable setup that made alot of power. by running a S300 frame your limited to air flow, which overall will lower power outputs of trucks to a more reasonable level where your average guy or gal can afford to pull in that class.
 
7inchstack said:
by not having to spend that much $$$ you will get more people into pulling, there for the sport grows? true or not true?
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Why not? Instead of using off the shelf parts, stuff would need to become more custom to squeeze every last drop...more coin.
 
There is no point in having two class exactly the same. One is a s480 bushed and the other is a s480 contoured wheel and a race cover. If you have the money to be a top dog 2.6, then save youself about 1500$ and throw a box stock 480 on and run the 2.8 class where the rest of the big boys are. Leave the 2.6 for a street warrior silver bullet kinda truck.

Example. My brothers truck

All stock bottom end with 300,000 miles
silver bulllet 66
5x18 injectors
stock pump with a 5k kit

daily driver, trailer puller, play toy. Hauls my truck to pulls then unhooks from trailer and will pull it in one or two classes and then haul my ass home. To me thats a 2.6 truck.
 
My personall opinion is to do away with the "street drivin truck" in the 2.6 title honestly, leave all the street trucks to the work stock class, Like i said I think a 6.4 could do 650 and still be "work stock" just raise the bar a bit for the other trucks... just a thought.
 
There is a far cry difference between a workstock truck with a chip, exhaust and intake compared to a truck with a silver bullet, 140 injectors, intercooler and detroit lockers. Both are daily drivers but one is not workstock.

Tim
 
SledPuller21 said:
Why not? Instead of using off the shelf parts, stuff would need to become more custom to squeeze every last drop...more coin.
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i didnt say cheaper turbo wise, you may pay alittle more for a turbo but you wont need to get into the bottom end big pumps, ect. thats where it will be cheaper for the everyday person.
 
You think just cuz your limiting the turbo means competitors aren't going to look elsewhere?
 
Not everyones 2.6 truck is just a puller. Many of the guys around here drive theirs, one of them drove to almost every pull this year, just my opinion but these trucks are still streetable.
 
ILLINOISRAM said:
There is no point in having two class exactly the same. One is a s480 bushed and the other is a s480 contoured wheel and a race cover. If you have the money to be a top dog 2.6, then save youself about 1500$ and throw a box stock 480 on and run the 2.8 class where the rest of the big boys are. Leave the 2.6 for a street warrior silver bullet kinda truck.

Example. My brothers truck

All stock bottom end with 300,000 miles
silver bulllet 66
5x18 injectors
stock pump with a 5k kit

daily driver, trailer puller, play toy. Hauls my truck to pulls then unhooks from trailer and will pull it in one or two classes and then haul my ass home. To me thats a 2.6 truck.
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cant agree more with what you just said. and the s480 bushed and contoured is about the only difference between the top dog 2.6 and everyday 2.8 pullers.

"All stock bottom end with 300,000 miles
silver bulllet 66
5x18 injectors
stock pump with a 5k kit"

that is a 2.6 puller. work stock is a chiped truck with tranny and maybe a turbo upgrade. work stock isnt very competative, because you 6.4 guys make so much power on just a tune.. my buddie has an 01 24V with 100hp sticks, USB turbo, edge, and a DD and he cant pull work stock, so hes stuck with 2.6 trucks makein almost twice his power..
 
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