side by side twin turbos?

It seems clear to me, based in no small part on the responses of others that I expected too much. Impractical expectations even.

I apologize for that.


Ask away. I have no doubt that you'll find more than enough people to quench your thirst for knowledge on the subject.



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I have another idea. Since I acted like an ass, I'll give you the choice to call and either let me have it if you wish.... or to occupy as much of my time as you may or may not find useful, to ask as many questions about this as you want. I think you will quickly find that text is not for me.... but that voice works rather well.

Your choice. I'll keep my phone on.

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I HONESTLY respect that.

Speaking of respect (to the author of this thread: Willy91), maybe we should start a new thread on this subject so everyone can actually learn how to tune a set of twins.

I do not know who to believe, because I have people that agree with you (Charles) and people that have different opinions.

What do you say?
 
I HONESTLY respect that.

Speaking of respect (to the author of this thread: Willy91), maybe we should start a new thread on this subject so everyone can actually learn how to tune a set of twins.

I do not know who to believe, because I have people that agree with you (Charles) and people that have different opinions.

What do you say?

don't matter, either way KYle, I got what I wanted clear back on page one, lol... an idea how to mount the twins, so carry on if you so please, I enjoy learning.
 
Charlie is a good dude with a wealth of information, call him. He's actually quite nice, even if he does drive a Ford :lolly:
 
don't matter, either way KYle, I got what I wanted clear back on page one, lol... an idea how to mount the twins, so carry on if you so please, I enjoy learning.

:hehe: That's good. Do you plan on incorporating the drain tube into the mount?
 
Charlie is a good dude with a wealth of information, call him. He's actually quite nice, even if he does drive a Ford :lolly:

I don't doubt he is a good dude, but the way he presesnts himself through his smart@ss posts doesn't do much for him.

This turned into a major :soap:

Although, I still feel there is much to be discussed in the theory of compounding turbo's.

If i get permission to post another memebers personal opinion on compounding chargers, I will start a new thread.......

Kyle
 
I don't doubt he is a good dude, but the way he presesnts himself through his smart@ss posts doesn't do much for him.

This turned into a major :soap:

Although, I still feel there is much to be discussed in the theory of compounding turbo's.

If i get permission to post another memebers personal opinion on compounding chargers, I will start a new thread.......

Kyle


I don't know what the deal is...

But I just can't act right when I have to type everything out. It's cold, stale text. It's about worthless for communication. No real tone, no voice inflection to show the true direction of a comment, whether humorous or serious, so on and so forth.

And truth be told, I think I'm always in a constant state of frustration because of that, independent of whatever I'm actually talking (typing) about. And yet I'm drawn to it like a moth to a flame because where else are you going to find this many people to talk about something like this?

Anyway..... I was a dick online. Unfortunately it's not something I seem capable of fixing at present. Maybe with age will come wisdome... lol.


As far as tuning a set of compounds goes. All I can offer is my own experience with my smallish setup.

I have a drop in charger for my second stage, which may skew my findings. It's a GTP38R drop in replacement with a 1.15 housing. My first stage is a GT4718 journal bearing unit with a 1.39 housing.

For me... and the testing I have done (which over the years has been pretty in depth) the best boost/drive ratio and power has come when the chargers were very closed to being balanced, meaning each was contributing a similar amount to the overall pressure ratio. Most of my testing has been between 60 and 80lbs of boost, although I have driven them as high as 90+ a number of times as well. However, I think the stuff in the 60-70psi range is most relevant for a street truck, and that's what I run 99.9% of the time anyway.

In that range of boost pressures, I have driven the first stage anywhere from 10psi to 35+psi at WOT while maintaining overall boost by altering the second stage output accordingly. Having had electronic boost control solenoids driving both gate ports on both gates it was fairly easy for me to settle in on just about any desired boost, and any desired first to second stage split from the comfort of the driver's seat with the laptop. I also datalogged exhaust manifold drive pressure, first stage boost pressure and intake manifold pressure a good bit while trying to get the most from the setup.

What I found (on my truck) was actually shocking to me. With a 1.39 A/R housing on that 88mm first stage charger I always expected it to basically be a straight shot, and that the second stage turbine housing/wastegate would certainly be producing the brunt of the drive pressure. However, as I drove the first stage higher and higher (while holding manifold pressure constant by opening the second stage gate more and more) the overall drive pressure and subsequently the overall boost/drive ratio just got worse and worse and worse. At 70lbs of boost I was running drive pressures of nearly 90psi. A boost/drive ratio of ~1.3:1. I was shocked. So I started backing it back down and the boost/drive kept getting better and better as you would expect, until I started going under ~20lbs on the first stage. Then it started getting worse again. When running 20 -25psi on the first with a manifold pressure of 60 - 65psi I was consistently running a drive pressure of 55 to 60psi. Meaning my boost/drive was right at, or slightly less than 1:1.

Coincidentally, the truck smoked less and pulled harder up top when configured this way. The only thing I didn't do was run the ratio up and down like this while on the dyno. Which I'm sure I will at some point. Probably the same day I start testing various water injection pressures and such, if that day ever comes, lol.

But anyway, that's my experience with it, and my reasoning is that the highest efficiency comes when the chargers are sharing the load well.
 
Ha joking, I am glad this came up because I've been meaning to get my compounds set up better and I see I'm way off base right now. Im seeing 35-40 out of my s480 and map at 75-80. Haven't hooked up the tip of the secondary yet so I'm still in the blind but it sounds like I need to get the primary to around 15-20 when at 60-70 psi map
 
Ha joking, I am glad this came up because I've been meaning to get my compounds set up better and I see I'm way off base right now. Im seeing 35-40 out of my s480 and map at 75-80. Haven't hooked up the tip of the secondary yet so I'm still in the blind but it sounds like I need to get the primary to around 15-20 when at 60-70 psi map

That's just my experience. For instance, talking with Richard "Maddog" a couple years back he mentioned having two 50ish mm IIRC gates around his second stage, and that once up on boost the first stage was driven hard and the second stage was largely gated around.

I think IAT, boost/drive and rwhp numbers are what's needed for any kind of conclusive decision.
 
I remember when i built BigBadDodges set of compounds (side by side). Here are some pics of my race truck with the compounds.
 

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Well right now there's no gate except for the internal gate on the sb66 but a 60mm is on the way. It will take time but this should give me a much better starting point.

Also, the gate is drive pressure actuated and not boost actuated which I hear is the better of the two.
 
I remember when i built BigBadDodges set of compounds (side by side). Here are some pics of my race truck with the compounds.

what kind of braketry are you using to supporting the primary? Thanks

edit nevermind I see it now, thanks.
 
I remember when i built BigBadDodges set of compounds (side by side). Here are some pics of my race truck with the compounds.

Twins look real good. Thats a real clean setup.

What are the sizes on the chargers? Internal gate on secondary?
 
Another question...Just read on a thread near to this, 3in cold pipe is better to keep velocity up.

Charles, anyone, have you ever tested this or give us some insight to this?

If thats so, would a slightly smaller interstage hot pipe be beneficial to keeping velocity, to quicker spool? or maybe I am thinking too hard about this.....
 
Another question...Just read on a thread near to this, 3in cold pipe is better to keep velocity up.

Charles, anyone, have you ever tested this or give us some insight to this?

If thats so, would a slightly smaller interstage hot pipe be beneficial to keeping velocity, to quicker spool? or maybe I am thinking too hard about this.....

You're thinking right.
 
just picked up my charger from chris. Looks like the comp wheel is 80mm on the minor and I think 124 on the major is what it read, with plenty of room to grow, havn't got to measure the exhaust side yet, but it looks to be plenty big lol. Charger has a fresh rebuilt to, this is the first 0 mile charger I've ever had :rockwoot:, I'm ready to get started building now! big thanks to you chris(signature600) for the good price and all the help!
 
just picked up my charger from chris. Looks like the comp wheel is 80mm on the minor and I think 124 on the major is what it read, with plenty of room to grow, havn't got to measure the exhaust side yet, but it looks to be plenty big lol. Charger has a fresh rebuilt to, this is the first 0 mile charger I've ever had :rockwoot:, I'm ready to get started building now! big thanks to you chris(signature600) for the good price and all the help!

Have fun with the build, and keep us posted with pictures!

What are you running for the secondary?
 
Thanks guys. The primary is a 80mm external turbonetics gate and the secondary is a 64mm internal gated.
 
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