What is a stock appreaing turbo?

A few of my thoughts on this one:

First Stock Appearing is just that how does the turbo Appear on the truck. Appear is a visual thing not mesured with tools.

Second STOCK classes are a joke and never work out. Its to easy for guys to cheat.

Three the lower the class in the food chain the more cheaters there will be. Some guys just cant move up for some reason and insist on Dominating the lower ones.
 
Well the problems i see that could potentially develop with the 2.6 class is that as the sport grows the trucks that cant run in the bigger classes will continue to cycle themselves down to the 2.6 class and be devoted pulling trucks only. The workstock allows a guy to have a hot rod on the street and still run good in the workstock class. In my opinion the class gets out of hand when they let guys spray or run too big of a charger. Wouldnt have to tech all the 100 of workstockers just top 3. could be a good class if there was a little bit of a tech. but just my 2 cents
 
HIGH TECH RAM said:
Dodges get the shaft in WS if they follow the turbo rule.
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thats not our problem.

Stock appearing is a grey area but so is all of pulling. The number one thing is that you keep it safe.

If you dont do good, thats too bad go home and cry dont take it out on people or the grounds at the pull track.

Honestly, your not loosing anything if you dont win except maybe your pride. If that $150 check means so much to you then you need to get in a different sport.

Work stock classes are all about who is the best cheater. If you cant win then cheat more. If you dont want to cheat then good for you, you have good morels.

Banning EFI Live is a joke, then you might as well ban P-pump trucks too. Just because one brand has a leg up on the next brand, drivers shouldnt be punished.

Work stock is meant for stock trucks that are tuned. Yes you can mod your CP3, or VP44 and no-one will know, or mod you stock appearing turbo, but thats entirely up to you.

A true work stock duramax with a stock turbo, stock CP3 and good tune will make no more than 550hp. With a cheatah, modded CP3 and little bigger sticks 600 is achieveable.

Its not fair but o well thats pulling.

If you want it fair, sell your truck, take out a loan and build a component chassis mod.
 
another duramax guy that doesnt know what hes talking about you cant mod a vp44 well guess ill just have to make a s366 look stock and then i would easily have the upper hand the only reason they make it stock appearing is cause the duramaxs cant keep up in a 2.6 turbo class
 
i dont know much about the other trucks, I just stick to mine. But i do see parts for other trucks and know there are modified pumps you can buy unless they are just a $3,000 stock pump that is claimed to be modded.

YOur comment about the 2.6 class just makes you look dumb and ignorant.
 
well the thing is its true a duramax cant be competitve in 2.6 against a cummins unless the duramax has a fully rebuilt engine which is alot of money this is why they make it stock appearing i am in no way bashing the duramax they are very good strong running trucks many off my friends that pull have them but they cant be competitive in 2.6 without rebuilding with new rods and pistons and that modded vp you speak off cant be run with anything smaller than a s366 theres to much fuel
 
A Duramax can handle a 2.6 charger. I run a 2.8 on a stock motor. Its the fuel and timing that kills them. So i guess to be a top running 2.6 truck the motor in a duramax would be weak if they allow twin pumps.

I bent my rods with my S400 but that was due to too much timing.

But in reality if your in a points race, placing first doesnt matter, its all about making it to every pull and being consistent.
 
JerrodGlover said:
A few of my thoughts on this one:

First Stock Appearing is just that how does the turbo Appear on the truck. Appear is a visual thing not mesured with tools.

Second STOCK classes are a joke and never work out. Its to easy for guys to cheat.

Three the lower the class in the food chain the more cheaters there will be. Some guys just cant move up for some reason and insist on Dominating the lower ones.
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stock classes are dominated by cheaters and its true the rules do favor the more modern trucks higher hp motors better chassis etc

dmax's will flat kill in 2.6 with little mods . i also think people do tend to sandbag there truck down a class . there r many trucks in 2.6 here that could easily could run2.8 or prostreet.
does it make sense i think not 2.6 is a very tough class to dominate with lots of competition .it also harder to tune a 3.0 turbo with cover to 2.6
im thinkin of trying pro street this yr at some smaller pulls less competition fairer people and rules are simple. you want put it on there and run it! plus it pays out better. besides nos there r not a lot of ways to cheat which is good.
 
kjpcummins said:
well the thing is its true a duramax cant be competitve in 2.6 against a cummins unless the duramax has a fully rebuilt engine which is alot of money this is why they make it stock appearing i am in no way bashing the duramax they are very good strong running trucks many off my friends that pull have them but they cant be competitive in 2.6 without rebuilding with new rods and pistons and that modded vp you speak off cant be run with anything smaller than a s366 theres to much fuel
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Really? I guess a couple of the guys that have a stock internal duramax that have been successful in the 2.6 class are just flukes?:bang
 
We have a problem here in Eastern PA with rules like where stated above. The sled pulls that go on here in my area there are two classes... Street and Modified. Street class is the 2.5" inducer... "stock appearing turbo" which I feel is a good rule. As long as EVERY truck that pulls through tech has there intake tube off and they size that inducer up. The problem is that Tech guys just eyeball the turbo from outside and draw the line there. The next class is a 2.8 Modified...The 2.8 rules are about what you would expect but they don't allow any bushed chargers at all.

I blame the un-even playing field in the 2.5 street class on the lazy Tech officials.
 
BDS said:
We have a problem here in Eastern PA with rules like where stated above. The sled pulls that go on here in my area there are two classes... Street and Modified. Street class is the 2.5" inducer... "stock appearing turbo" which I feel is a good rule. As long as EVERY truck that pulls through tech has there intake tube off and they size that inducer up. The problem is that Tech guys just eyeball the turbo from outside and draw the line there. The next class is a 2.8 Modified...The 2.8 rules are about what you would expect but they don't allow any bushed chargers at all.

I blame the un-even playing field in the 2.5 street class on the lazy Tech officials.
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yeah u can thank gene from nadm for that great no bushing rule:badidea:

i spoke with on the phone personally and asked why can't u use a bushing and he replied because im tired of people running 3" turbo's in the 2.6 and 2.8 classes. i said why do u still allow a race cover then cause all that does is make me have to buy 2 more turbos. and his respnse gets dumber "people with money will only find ways to get an advantage" thats total bs because now he has just made it more expensive to run with the guys with money:bang
 
kjpcummins said:
another duramax guy that doesnt know what hes talking about you cant mod a vp44 well guess ill just have to make a s366 look stock and then i would easily have the upper hand the only reason they make it stock appearing is cause the duramaxs cant keep up in a 2.6 turbo class
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:bang
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So a duramax can't keep up in the 2.6" class? I know at least last year there were some nasty duramax trucks here in ohio in the 2.6" class. like Gainer and Evan Davis and when McIntoshs truck ran it didn't do too bad.
 
Spurs_442 said:
So a duramax can't keep up in the 2.6" class? I know at least last year there were some nasty duramax trucks here in ohio in the 2.6" class. like Gainer and Evan Davis and when McIntoshs truck ran it didn't do too bad.
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They just don't want to believe:bang Especially Gainer's truck being stock internals, and how it performed.
 
well around here they cant afford to upgrade their internals so they make it stock apearing and run a 68 or soon the new 76 cause they arent competitve in the upper class it should go by a inducer rule not just if it looks stock you can have a stock appearing duramax 3.0 charger run work stock because he truck cant compete in 3.0
 
duramaxxin73 said:
They just don't want to believe:bang Especially Gainer's truck being stock internals, and how it performed.
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I agree matt's truck ran great even with stock internals I would have put his truck up against anyone elses. i'm not sure about evans truck as far as the engine but its a force to recon with.

kjpcummins said:
well around here they cant afford to upgrade their internals so they make it stock apearing and run a 68 or soon the new 76 cause they arent competitve in the upper class it should go by a inducer rule not just if it looks stock you can have a stock appearing duramax 3.0 charger run work stock because he truck cant compete in 3.0
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i guess your dmax guys need to get in touch with some other shops. There are tons of dmax's here in ohio with stock internals that run the 2.6 class and win. I ran well against some tough competition last year with my completely factory stock internaled 2.6 dmax. If you have any questions feel free to talk to the guys at danville, 07dodge, pat bennett, matt gainer, etc. I am currently driving that same truck 120+ miles a day to work and back. oh btw i'm on the low end of the HP totem pole and a regular cab dually.
 
well not sure what some off these guys are doing then since one does run amazing canted beat one of the dodges but he crack a block and also bent rods last year we also have a truck that is a beta tester for fleece thats pulls with us it runs a 68 but will soon have if not already the new 76 and he said hes pulling work stock this truck has had alot done by fleece and danville and said he cant put much over 600hp before he starts bending rods and that why hes running stock appearing so he doesnt have to turn it up to compete

i still think it should be a inducer rule to make it a fair and competitve playing field
 
kjpcummins said:
well not sure what some off these guys are doing then since one does run amazing canted beat one of the dodges but he crack a block and also bent rods last year we also have a truck that is a beta tester for fleece thats pulls with us it runs a 68 but will soon have if not already the new 76 and he said hes pulling work stock this truck has had alot done by fleece and danville and said he cant put much over 600hp before he starts bending rods and that why hes running stock appearing so he doesnt have to turn it up to compete

i still think it should be a inducer rule to make it a fair and competitve playing field
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Wow those guys must be doing something wrong. I know that gainer put down 660hp on the dyno on a stock engine and pulled I'm thinking at least 2yrs that way. the only thing not stock appearing about looking under his hood was the 2nd cp3 and if I remember right he put down around 590hp without running that.
 
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