14mm ve pump

rednsilver90 said:
In this thread, as well as others you have posted in, you throw out smart comments to cut on what others have done. Just like the "sourced" word choice for Brian and the 14mm H&Rs. No one thought he made them in his garage. I was always taught that it is not just what you say, but how you say it.

As for comparing parts for a VE build vs. a P Pump build.
One example is the delivery valve argument. How many cc's do a crazy set add for the p7100? I've got the highest flowing set I know of for a VE and they added 40cc's on the low end. Most other modded sets I know of for the VE add less than 20cc's. The VE fuels hard on the low end and the inline pumps keep going, our whole build has to focus on how to make power at lower rpm. We also have the benefit of dynamic timing, which is one reason we worry more about case pressure.

I'm not claiming to be some kind of expert, but I can't learn much from someone who answers questions with short, smart questions. I know you have lot's of good info you could share, but I just wish you could present it in a little different manner.
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So just listen to JQMile with his PROVEN combo....I'm sure it won't bother Weston at all if you don't like how he presents his info.


I'm not sure if I even want to start messing with a VE now, you guys fight about what's holding you back worse than any sled puller or drag racer ever has about rules.

Chris
 
Signature600 said:
So just listen to JQMile with his PROVEN combo....I'm sure it won't bother Weston at all if you don't like how he presents his info.
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It should be obvious I am not concerned about how people take what I say. Difference is I have tested many of the parts and ideas that have been mentioned. Reading it on the internet does not give you first hand experience.

Signature600 said:
I'm not sure if I even want to start messing with a VE now, you guys fight about what's holding you back worse than any sled puller or drag racer ever has about rules.
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Funny thing is we ran a KTA 14mm VE, we broke one, we talked to Brian about it, how many people in this thread have? Yet they apparently know more about our situation than we did.
 
Smokem said:
It should be obvious I am not concerned about how people take what I say. Difference is I have tested many of the parts and ideas that have been mentioned. Reading it on the internet does not give you first hand experience.



Funny thing is we ran a KTA 14mm VE, we broke one, we talked to Brian about it, how many people in this thread have? Yet they apparently know more about our situation than we did.
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Trust me, I understand completely. I've been reading up on all this 14mm garbage posted all over internet creation, and I basically know the same now, as I did when I started. It's a crapshoot, and it will never be an inline.

I might as well tear apart one of the extra VE's I have, and figure out what's there, I'll bet I could come up with some stuff on my own. It's not like it's rocket science...it's a pump. Someone built it, someone can tear it up, someone can fix it, and someone can make it work better.


Now, I'm not trying to run down anyone who has been towing with these for years, like Brian Block. He obviously has messed around a lot, and I'm sure has not told all the things he's learned. I'm sure there are other who have messed with them a lot, as well.

Chris
 
I think they would be reliable as long as you avoid RPM. We put 1000mi on our's, drove good, felt strong, but first trip north of 4K and no bueno.

Going to guess the guys with the PROVEN setups can't argue that.
 
Smokem since you have all this info why not put it to use. Build a pump the way you think it needs to be, run smaller injectors and make it live while producing the 600hp Brian has been able or even 500hp for that matter. Not trying to sound like a dick but you just keep giving open ended awnsers and not proving anything. No I haven't ran a 14mm but have followed Brian and asked questions I feel are important. The DV discussion has been brought up and only gives minimal flow increase down low on a flow bench. People want to say the proven setup isn't needed but no one will prove it. Put a system together running 5x14's or so and make big power without seizing the pump. We all would love to see it and hear how you made it work. We all know these pumps don't like rpm higher then 2800-3000
 
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We moved on to a P-pump, the reason why I said I had no interest. Now if someone wanted to build said pump, I'd gladly discuss it with them. Point is, at the end of the day you would have spent a bunch of money on a limited capability pump, probably the reason only a few have done it don't you think? And I know Stomp ran 5x0.014" without seizing a pump, made good power too.
 
I'm planning on building one next summer so pm me if you would like to share your thoughts.
 
In my dealings, folks that criticize and give limited info, have figured out that giving limited info makes it harder for folks to figure out what they know and what they don't know...

I believe that laying it all on the table is the best way to get discussion going and spark new ideas.

Would be nice if folks would just spill the info they had, without having to be poked, begged etc, to give the info.

Kind of like, "I am consulted by all of the nascar teams in their engine builds" proceed to tell of all of these folks that have used it successfully, however none of them want to step forward and admit it...
 
Later, when I am near a computer, I will give out the info for a larger DV valve that put a 12mm ve into the top 5 in pulling at his local pulls.

Things need to overcome: plunger refill and fuel volume.

Reading about some p-pump cams, I wonder if changing some of the cam profile will help...

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oldestof11 said:
Later, when I am near a computer, I will give out the info for a larger DV valve that put a 12mm ve into the top 5 in pulling at his local pulls.

Things need to overcome: plunger refill and fuel volume.

Reading about some p-pump cams, I wonder if changing some of the cam profile will help...
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I would be carefull in doing so, because you will upset the apple cart of what is commonly known. And, if this thread has taught us anything, comparing components from a distributor pump to an inline pump is just silly.
 
zstroken said:
Would be nice if folks would just spill the info they had, without having to be poked, begged etc, to give the info.
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You know as well as many I have nothing to hide, and I am always willing to share information. I enjoy people getting all worked up over simple discussions.
 
CaseyF said:
Smokem, how much are your Bosch 370 injectors rated, HP wise?
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I think they would fall in ~ 40-50hp being 5x0.012" and mid 3LPM area. I would really like to see someone build a VE engine with a wide bowl and cone angle, take use of the oxygen early in the combustion process.
 
Smokem said:
You take the internet seriously do you Dan? Pretty sure this is mild compared to many threads in the pulling section.
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Your assuming I was referring to me. LOL

Plus the pulling section is always crying about rules, not much useful there! LOL
 
Oh, I thought they were higher than that. I'd love to build the hell out of mine, including a P7100 :)!
 
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