14mm ve pump

Smokem said:
When did I run down "the innovators and pioneers" of VE performance? I simply said I do not agree with the larger injector requirement. How can the same parts, that serve the same function not be compared, whether it be on the VE or P7100 or P3000 or MW pump?
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Smokem said:
I would be carefull in doing so, because you will upset the apple cart of what is commonly known. And, if this thread has taught us anything, comparing components from a distributor pump to an inline pump is just silly.
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Are you being serious or sarcastic? I cannot tell... give me 1 more hour and I will get that info up.

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CaseyF said:
Oh, I thought they were higher than that. I'd love to build the hell out of mine, including a P7100 :)!
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Modest area. They are typically rated ~ 90hp on a P7100 application, but have made much more if used properly.
 
oldestof11 said:
Are you being serious or sarcastic? I cannot tell... give me 1 more hour and I will get that info up.
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Sarcasm is my forte. Oddly enough when mentioned, it was a terrible idea, when you stated it has worked, minds were blown.
 
Smokem said:
I would be carefull in doing so, because you will upset the apple cart of what is commonly known. And, if this thread has taught us anything, comparing components from a distributor pump to an inline pump is just silly.
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If this thread has taught us anything, it's that nothing is commonly known about the 14mm besides the fact that they don't like being revved.

Nobody is going to complain if a piece of info is thrown out, even if it's not completely right, just so it can be thought about as an alternative. It's when nothing is thrown out at all, or only negative thoughts about it, that people start to get worked up and upset.

At this point, the VE isn't worth anything in the competitive world. If you can put down 500+ HP with one you've done more than enough and should be happy. Considering the above, there really isn't any point in any secrecy around them. What would someone gain by keeping secrets about the VE? There is no competitive edge to be gained. $.02

Also, I feel I should point out my truck has a 12mm and will stay that way. I don't have a dog in this fight, but it is fun reading about what other people are doing with them.
 
Ok, here is the info I got.

Here is the truck in question where the owner did this. 2.8" turbo I do believe...

http://youtu.be/zfW0yzIeE7A

Those DV's are from a bosch MW inline pump
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A friend was asked not to let this out and he told me to ask the owner. There is more info but you can ask him.

Now, I am reworking vane pump I am talking with a machinist about, opening the fuel inlet to said pump larger, reworking the inlet for the head, and changing the cam. Beyond that, I cannot think of anymore restrictions.
 
oldestof11 said:
Now, I am reworking vane pump I am talking with a machinist about, opening the fuel inlet to said pump larger, reworking the inlet for the head, and changing the cam. Beyond that, I cannot think of anymore restrictions.
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Sounds strangely similar to what has been happening in our shop...
 
Casey, if your sig is even remotely accurate the last thing you need is another 40ccs of fuel down low. With an AFC delete that thing would be a nightmare to drive.
 
If that's what you want to do, go for it. Smoke control is a completely personal judgment, so you'll have to get to your own limit.
 
If worst came to worst, I'd just but my old top back on. Does anybody know about these DV's?
 
Tacoclaw said:
Considering the above, there really isn't any point in any secrecy around them. What would someone gain by keeping secrets about the VE? There is no competitive edge to be gained.
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Because the 1st Gen guys seem to be adamant about not accepting new ideas that go against what is thought to be fact. When in fact, the facts, are not necessarily facts at all.

oldestof11 said:
Here is the truck in question where the owner did this. 2.8" turbo I do believe...
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Jeff runs a GT42. I remember discussing the VE stuff 3 yrs ago when we used to run one. He spent quite a bit of time on them, and his results show there is more to the equation than running the right 6-hole injector.
 
Smokem said:
Because the 1st Gen guys seem to be adamant about not accepting new ideas that go against what is thought to be fact. When in fact, the facts, are not necessarily facts at all.
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What facts exactly?

I'm going to have to read back through all this again, but the only parts I remember being brought up so far have been the DVs and some random injector size you mentioned as a jab to 6x16s. If there were any mention of actual parts that could be swapped or pump work that could be done to increase life expectancy or fuel output we'd be jabbering nonstop about them, not hating on the person that brought them up.
 
When the delivery valve and holder was brought up, how many jumped on the bandwagon they weren't an issue? I spoke at length with Jeff a while back about this, and we both thought it was an area to be explored. He pursued it, we went to a P7100, I would say he proved the point. Most believe you MUST run a 6-hole injector to make power, which makes very little sense, why would a VCO injector be superior? The 6-hole nozzles are terribly prone to needle deviation, the main reason Cummins went to the 5-hole design.
 
Did he see any improvement on the flow bench or dyno with the new DV's or just better results at the pulling track?
 
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