2nd Gen WOKE ME UP!

Everyone has a different view on what powerful is. For me I went from my first diesel experience being a 6.5 1/2 ton Chevy to a 97 12valve to and 04.5 Dually then to my 6.7 all were stock before the 6.7 and the 6.7 was stock for a short time. Each one had more giddy up than the previous.
 
DRT086.7 said:
Everyone has a different view on what powerful is. For me I went from my first diesel experience being a 6.5 1/2 ton Chevy to a 97 12valve to and 04.5 Dually then to my 6.7 all were stock before the 6.7 and the 6.7 was stock for a short time. Each one had more giddy up than the previous.
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So then you understand my "awe" going from the V-10 5 speed to the 215HP 12 valve. :D
The V-10 was a dismal failure and my '91 Intercooled truck would tow circles around it, but the '96 is like 2 different worlds away from the VE.

I don't generally turn my trucks up, because I don't like the idea of breaking stuff and I drive great distances, so a broken truck in, say, California is a big inconvenience.

The part that got me the most is that I went to DieselWrencher's place and back, 430 miles, on 3/4 tank (35 gallon tank) of fuel, got a decent ride and reasonable acceleration.
I had @ 1,000 pounds of cargo I didn't feel, either in the suspension, or the acceleration and even stock it'll pull my 2 car hauler around here without a problem. :D

Mark.
 
No offense, but Dodge is what does it for my needs.

You're from Rexburg, ID? Was just up that way @ 4 weeks ago.
Nice country up there.
On the way there, I saw a very nice 1980s Chevy Crew 4X4 that I wish I'd gotten the number off of.

Mark.
 
I had a 98 12 valve that caused me nothing but heartache, and my duramax has been trouble free, so I'm a little biased. :D but if you like it that's all that really matters. Yeah rexburg is nice except for that damn university LOL
 
(Cool story bro )

It is pretty simple redneck timing, max the barrels gsk and afc work. That's all I got and make 63 lbs. of boost with the 351-ht60 twins. I'm guessing it makes at least 317.5 horsepower!:rockwoot:

I started with a 6.2 chevy, hooked a trailer to it once and never again. Went threw a few 6.9's and 7.3's, they weren't to bad but I didn't know any different going from a 6.2. Drove a stock 01 six speed dodge stock for a long time cause it run so much better than the fords I didn't think it needed a box. A buddy put one on for nothing just to see if I liked it. See what that lead to!

I drive a few miles in the 95, 600 this weekend and heading to memphis,tn. tomorrow night. That's over 400 one way, Just drove 150 today looking at a job. I however don't hammer on it away from home,don't want to chance a head gasket. That will be around 1200 with misc. driving this week.
 
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gwhammy said:
(Cool story bro )

It is pretty simple redneck timing, max the barrels gsk and afc work. That's all I got and make 63 lbs. of boost with the 351-ht60 twins. I'm guessing it makes at least 317.5 horsepower!:rockwoot:
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That sounds like a recipe for a meltdown. Timing needs to be precise, Barrels need to be tuned so they deliver fuel evenly. My '93 made 291/605 with just intake/exhaust mods,mild fuel, and a slightly bigger turbo and it run 1100f max pulling big loads.
Back on topic, the p-pumps are pretty impressive power wise if its set up right. A friend of mine has an '03 12v with the 180 pump on it. With just the pump mods and 16.5 timing he keeps up with an '04.0 5.9 that has a quadzila and a bunch of other stuff. The guy with the CR now thinks he needs a smarty lol.
 
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No guts no glory, I never claimed to be very smart!:nail:

Enough to pop the head gasket. I did mention redneck didn't I? Six degrees of timing is a hair over 1/2 inch on the harmonic balancer. Bumping the barrels is easy, even a balanced pump will be off more than you think after awhile. As far as timing, look at alot of what people show for timing. Varies from stock up to 30 degrees on street driven trucks. I really don't know how much horsepower it makes but it runs real decent.

I've been driving vp trucks for quite a while. Now that I have this 12 valve the other trucks stay parked most of the time. The p-pump is hard to beat. I wouldn't mind getting rid of my 01 and getting a club cab 12v 4wd and clipping the frame to make a shortbed out of it.
 
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white93 said:
That sounds like a recipe for a meltdown. Timing needs to be precise, Barrels need to be tuned so they deliver fuel evenly. My '93 made 291/605 with just intake/exhaust mods,mild fuel, and a slightly bigger turbo and it run 1100f max pulling big loads.
Back on topic, the p-pumps are pretty impressive power wise if its set up right. A friend of mine has an '03 12v with the 180 pump on it. With just the pump mods and 16.5 timing he keeps up with an '04.0 5.9 that has a quadzila and a bunch of other stuff. The guy with the CR now thinks he needs a smarty lol.
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I've been running for about 2 years with racked barrels. I've also been running for about 6 months with 26* timing hand calculated and over a year 20*+. No dial for me. Point is those mods can be done without spending any money, and for the most part won't kill your truck. (unless your stupid and yank 15,000lbs full speed up a 6% grade for 5 miles)


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Mark Nixon said:
Actually, newer than '98, unless there were 12 valve Cummins in 98.5? :D
Nice try at sarcasm, though.

Don't lump me into the narrow idea of a "1stgenner", as I do not fear electronics.
I'm one of the guys who put a 5.9 Dodge Magnum engine into a '68 Dart and I did NOT use a carburetor for "the easy way out"!

One thing about me, I try to understand what it is a person SHOULD be aware of on a vehicle, not fear it just because I don't understand it.

One fact I have found is that if you leave a commonrail idle in cold weather and ignore people who warn you NOT to do so, then the resulting injector failures that lead to cylinder washdown and burndown are just as much the user's fault as the Corporation's.
Limit idle time on these trucks and you increase overall life expectancy.

As far as the VPs, it's mostly heat and fuel supply related, get rid of the heat and address the fuel problems and they will run hundreds of thousands of trouble-free miles.
Some do anyway, it's a crapshoot.

In truth, the biggest reason I'll likely never own a newer vehicle is pure and simple: COST and mileage.
Why pay 50-60k for a truck that gets 15 mpg, when I can pay $3500 for one that gets upwards of 23?

Mark.
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For never owning a 24 valve you sure act like you know a lot about them
 
I appreciate 1st gens, but have ZERO desire to own one... Well, other than TOMTOM's :p

but even when I bought my 1st dodge diesel many years ago, I compromised and bought a 1st gen because I couldn't afford a 2nd gen.

Once I got my first 2nd gen, I never looked back. I would say the ONLY benefit of a 1st gen over a 2nd gen is the insane amount of room under the hood. everything else is better on a 2nd gen.
 
fire power said:
For never owning a 24 valve you sure act like you know a lot about them
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Fire Power, it's all good, man. :D

I've owned a whole slew of these engines, just not in trucks.

If you went to tech school, didn't you work on engines that you never saw in a vehicle, at least for a bit?
I'm willing to bet that you learned a lot about the engine, even though it was non-running.

I read, I listen, then I tear down some of what I'm reading about and the hands-on always defeats the supposition and conjecture.
It also proves the facts.

One other thing about a Commonrail.
If it torches a cylinder bad enough, it "almost" always kills the turbine in the stock production turbo.
If you tear the head off and see pock marks and dents in the piston(s) from pieces of rings, there is a 90% chance the turbine is smoked.
Dropped seats, another somewhat common 24 valve (VP OR Commonrail) failing, are 100% fatal to the turbine.
It has to go somewhere and the exhaust housing on the '03-'07 5.9s are very tight 1/4s.
So are the HY35s on the VP trucks.

Mark.
 
The main reason you don't ever see that stuff on ve motors in the stock form is because they never made enough power to do any of that damage. And yes bad injectors on a common rail= not good. But imo its still a lot nicer motor to drive stock than a p pump as long as its taken care of. A p pump in warm weather will drink 100% waste oil (I have done it) A common rail will not like it
 
Come on Forrest, if RonA called you and said he needed to sell his truck cheap you would jump right on it. Just sayin.
 
gwhammy said:
Come on Forrest, if RonA called you and said he needed to sell his truck cheap you would jump right on it. Just sayin.
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Can't even compare RonA's to a "1st gen".

Garrett

Probably getting paid at work to post this from my D1
 
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