Any new trucks gonna be at TS?

the 2.6 class is far from a street driven class anymore, Yes some of these trucks could be driven on the street, but who are yoiu kidding most of these guys dont. all but a small handfull of em are trailer queens, and if ya wanna come in here in a tout how you drive your 2.6 truck everyday on the street and its a true street truck. My money bets that you wouldnt hold a candle to the top ten maybe even the top 20 at a national event. 2.6 class in a brush pull in the middle of iowa (not picking on you guys directly) Is alot diffrent then the 2.6 class in in, oh, ky and parts of Missouri. These guys are making the power that the 2.8 guys were making 4 years ago, and the power that open trucks were making back when i got into this back in 2001. The technology has jumped leaps and bouds and in the process, lots of parts have been broken.

I for one have had tons of convertor problems at a power level that many of the se 2.6 guys are getting into now, and i actually looke into doing a clutched auto 3 years ago, but was unable to find anyone familure with it and my budget wasnt thier. These modified trannies were built out of nesecity and i am glad that Dan put the money out thier and figured it out. Saying that a danco tranny is illegal in my mind is no diffrent then saying a ats 5star convertor is not legal. or a south bend triple isnt legal, and i know lots of 2.6 guys running both of them

2.6 is no longer an entry level class And is not refered to as work stock anywhere near here any longer. WorkStock class is your entry level class, and ya better bring 550-600 to the table to even stand a chance here anymore

Travis
 
Moremph said:
the 2.6 class is far from a street driven class anymore, Yes some of these trucks could be driven on the street, but who are yoiu kidding most of these guys dont. all but a small handfull of em are trailer queens, and if ya wanna come in here in a tout how you drive your 2.6 truck everyday on the street and its a true street truck. My money bets that you wouldnt hold a candle to the top ten maybe even the top 20 at a national event. 2.6 class in a brush pull in the middle of iowa (not picking on you guys directly) Is alot diffrent then the 2.6 class in in, oh, ky and parts of Missouri. These guys are making the power that the 2.8 guys were making 4 years ago, and the power that open trucks were making back when i got into this back in 2001. The technology has jumped leaps and bouds and in the process, lots of parts have been broken.

I for one have had tons of convertor problems at a power level that many of the se 2.6 guys are getting into now, and i actually looke into doing a clutched auto 3 years ago, but was unable to find anyone familure with it and my budget wasnt thier. These modified trannies were built out of nesecity and i am glad that Dan put the money out thier and figured it out. Saying that a danco tranny is illegal in my mind is no diffrent then saying a ats 5star convertor is not legal. or a south bend triple isnt legal, and i know lots of 2.6 guys running both of them

2.6 is no longer an entry level class And is not refered to as work stock anywhere near here any longer. WorkStock class is your entry level class, and ya better bring 550-600 to the table to even stand a chance here anymore

Travis
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:clap:
 
and that's the bottom line, 'cause Stone Cold... er... Travis D.... Said so!!!

LOL


He speaks the truth on this regard though. 2.6, around these parts anyways, is far from an entry level/street truck class, period. As is shown by the extent that some will go to in order to be competitive or win - spend BIG $$$!



When's your CR 7.3 gonna be done and you're back on the track Travis? ;)


Later
 
The 2.6 class is only to that stage becuse of guys like you who think they need all this other stuff to compete. Take the 1" suspension rule. People pissed and moaned that it is hard on their trucks or whatever else they can complain about and so now you can run solid suspension. Why not jump to the class that allowed solid suspension.

By your definition, if a guy dont have a 100k to spend then they dont need to be on the track anyway and deserve to run against these high end trucks. Thats a nice attitude to have. I bet thats how you got into pulling also. You just woke up one morning and said **** it, lets start pulling cause i need to get rid of a chunk of money.

Whats the differance between these top 2.6 and 2.8 trucks? Nothing.

Whats the differance between the top 2.6 and guys that run 66mm s300 on the street?
A **** ton.

You think those should be run together?

Tim
 
Moremph said:
the 2.6 class is far from a street driven class anymore, Yes some of these trucks could be driven on the street, but who are yoiu kidding most of these guys dont. all but a small handfull of em are trailer queens, and if ya wanna come in here in a tout how you drive your 2.6 truck everyday on the street and its a true street truck. My money bets that you wouldnt hold a candle to the top ten maybe even the top 20 at a national event. 2.6 class in a brush pull in the middle of iowa (not picking on you guys directly) Is alot diffrent then the 2.6 class in in, oh, ky and parts of Missouri. These guys are making the power that the 2.8 guys were making 4 years ago, and the power that open trucks were making back when i got into this back in 2001. The technology has jumped leaps and bouds and in the process, lots of parts have been broken.

I for one have had tons of convertor problems at a power level that many of the se 2.6 guys are getting into now, and i actually looke into doing a clutched auto 3 years ago, but was unable to find anyone familure with it and my budget wasnt thier. These modified trannies were built out of nesecity and i am glad that Dan put the money out thier and figured it out. Saying that a danco tranny is illegal in my mind is no diffrent then saying a ats 5star convertor is not legal. or a south bend triple isnt legal, and i know lots of 2.6 guys running both of them

2.6 is no longer an entry level class And is not refered to as work stock anywhere near here any longer. WorkStock class is your entry level class, and ya better bring 550-600 to the table to even stand a chance here anymore

Travis
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WELL SAID:clap::clap: Im glad im not the only one that thinks thats. The top 2.6 trucks have never seen the street.
 
Or just say screw it, 8000lb diesel. One size fits all. LOL

I went to pull at the flatland jam in altamont il. When i seen Darren krueger, adam wendt, fine finish, johnny foxtrot and a few other guys that i cant remember their names right now, I thought to my self well i guess ill donate my entry fee to one of them. LOL
 
Ok then, exactly how do you propose to keep the powerful trucks out by imposing some realistic rules that makes it easier for a street truck to be competitive?? That won't be some rule about driving a certain distance yada yada yada.

I CAN think of a cpl things that can be done to bring the power level back down a little BUT here's the deal, regardless of what you make the rules, a well setup dedicated pulling truck WILL STILL most likely whip a true street truck's ass every time.

There's not a realisitic turbo rule that you can impose to stop 'em, there's not a susp. rule you can impose to stop them, you can't stop them from being towed to the pull on a trailer, etc. etc. etc. There is nothing you change in the rules that will even the field for dedicated trucks vs. DD street trucks, period. Lower the HP of the class? Sure. But that will not make the street trucks any more competitive because any rule that hurts the dedicated trucks, will hurt the street trucks too.
 
SmokeShow said:
Ok then, exactly how do you propose to keep the powerful trucks out by imposing some realistic rules that makes it easier for a street truck to be competitive?? That won't be some rule about driving a certain distance yada yada yada.

I CAN think of a cpl things that can be done to bring the power level back down a little BUT here's the deal, regardless of what you make the rules, a well setup dedicated pulling truck WILL STILL most likely whip a true street truck's ass every time.

There's not a realisitic turbo rule that you can impose to stop 'em, there's not a susp. rule you can impose to stop them, you can't stop them from being towed to the pull on a trailer, etc. etc. etc. There is nothing you change in the rules that will even the field for dedicated trucks vs. DD street trucks, period. Lower the HP of the class? Sure. But that will not make the street trucks any more competitive because any rule that hurts the dedicated trucks, will hurt the street trucks too.
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:rules::clap: just playin buy the rules tru tru:Cheer:
 
SmokeShow said:
Ok then, exactly how do you propose to keep the powerful trucks out by imposing some realistic rules that makes it easier for a street truck to be competitive?? .
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Tell the street trucks to go to a local fair and pull..... that is like saying we should tax the business owners and give the money to folks that don't work so they can have a piece of the pie. Or maybe we put speed limiters on Cup cars so ARCA guys can hang?
 
Timbeaux38 said:
Tell the street trucks to go to a local fair and pull..... that is like saying we should tax the business owners and give the money to folks that don't work so they can have a piece of the pie. Or maybe we put speed limiters on Cup cars so ARCA guys can hang?
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Are you saying that there are some 2.6 guys that are not up to par? Please explain!
 
Dennis Perry said:
Are you saying that there are some 2.6 guys that are not up to par? Please explain!
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Not all 2.6 guys Dennis.... Just those that are in favor of "Pulling welfare" or a "2.6 Bailout/healthcare package"

To make them all feel like winners, we will pass out CompD skirts and give them directions to the Drag strip so they can bracket race. In Bracket racing, unlike sledpulling, everyone has a chance...... Kinda like Communism.
 
SmokeShow said:
Ok then, exactly how do you propose to keep the powerful trucks out by imposing some realistic rules that makes it easier for a street truck to be competitive?? That won't be some rule about driving a certain distance yada yada yada.


I agree the distance thing is dumb. I've allready said what i thought. You cant really control hp. All engine builds are basically the same. So if you cut out the "pullin accessories" like hanging weight, blocked suspension and pull from a factory reese hitch in the factory spot not sucked up under the truck, that will keep us dedicated pullers out. Then it wont matter how much hp they have.

I CAN think of a cpl things that can be done to bring the power level back down a little BUT here's the deal, regardless of what you make the rules, a well setup dedicated pulling truck WILL STILL most likely whip a true street truck's ass every time.

This is true but their again, you take away the proper setup pullin stuff and then their wont be an issue because these guys will be in the right class.


There's not a realisitic turbo rule that you can impose to stop 'em, there's not a susp. rule you can impose to stop them, you can't stop them from being towed to the pull on a trailer, etc. etc. etc. There is nothing you change in the rules that will even the field for dedicated trucks vs. DD street trucks, period. Lower the HP of the class? Sure. But that will not make the street trucks any more competitive because any rule that hurts the dedicated trucks, will hurt the street trucks too.
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I dont want to make the street trucks more competitive. I think us pullers should do the decent thing and give them their class back. Do the right thing and step up to where the whole class is tuff not just the top 26.

I intend on getting my ass kicked this year in 2.8 but why should i build a 2.8 motor and put a 2.6 turbo on so that i might be able to make it to the finals and be in the top 26?

Tim
 
haha good one house,

i by no means say you have to spend 100k to compete, i have been competeing for years in the 2.8/3.0 class top 5 at alot of pulls, and beat some guys that werer first place a few times. and i can gurantee you i had less then 30 in my truck (including fixing 5-8 broken transmissions) and the cost of the truck. It is only as expensive as you wanna put in your truck and how knowledgeable you are at making what you got work. I gurantee you that a properly setup chassis will make up for 100-150 hp deficiency i know this for a fact!

We plan on running a 250k mile motor with some bolt on in the 2.6 class this year, and by damned were going to try and be competitive with it!

Travis
 
It would be like nascar letting people just come in off the street and them *****ing because they couldn't keep up or there car won't make the turns, like was said if somebody wants to pull the go to the fair, even though most of the 2.6 trucks will be there
 
or like someone coming in off the street to run the sportsman, just to find out the top 10 guys have a nascar motor:what: then hes wondering WTF do we have nascar races for and whos letting them get by with those nascar motors

this whole 2.6 deal can be viewed in a couple ways its really not my fight i have 2.8 trucks. personally i would Just hate to look like the ass with the nascar motor in the sportsman class
 
I have no dog in this fight. BUT, it seems the 2.6 class at most pulls has double the entry's of any other class. If this class is so out of control, it doesn't seem to discourage many people from running.
I personally think that the 2.6 class is very similar to the superfarm tractor class. Most superfarms have every bit as much of a built motor as a prostock tractor, just with a 3" turbo.
 
Moremph said:
haha good one house,

i by no means say you have to spend 100k to compete, i have been competeing for years in the 2.8/3.0 class top 5 at alot of pulls, and beat some guys that werer first place a few times. and i can gurantee you i had less then 30 in my truck (including fixing 5-8 broken transmissions) and the cost of the truck. It is only as expensive as you wanna put in your truck and how knowledgeable you are at making what you got work. I gurantee you that a properly setup chassis will make up for 100-150 hp deficiency i know this for a fact!

We plan on running a 250k mile motor with some bolt on in the 2.6 class this year, and by damned were going to try and be competitive with it!

Travis
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I need to hook the battery up to the '94(donor) to verify but I think it has 265K on it, the last 15K being the hardest.

-Michael
 
I understand all the 2.6 growth and the power there makin and how its not "streetable" which whatever that means. Everyone has their own definition of that and its a differnt definition for 12V guys and 24V guys and CR guys and Powerstroke and Dmax....at the same time the technology didnt stop at the track the stuff lets you run out on the street too. Either way You'll always have guys building trucks to be a dedicated puller which ya know what? its perfectly fine. It's also perfectly fine to have a truck you can drive out on the street and run in the class and i fully believe you can compete and be competitive with either. Now this "growth" does have to be contained at some point or what you'll have is no entry class and killing the sport. I dont care where you are 2.6 IS the entry class. Workstock isnt offerd in a lot of places and I know for around my place the 2.6 happend because people were tired of techin 20 differnt turbos and it just wasnt a good "rules" class. I'm guessin thats the story for a lot of 2.6 classes everywhere. Either way your 2.6 is the entry level class and you dont make rules catered to 2.8 built motors/trucks of 2005 who cant hang anymore or whatever, You make the rules for a TRUE 2.6 class. no bushing or whatever a TRUE 2.6 class. Let the dedicated pullers cater to you, not the other way around. Your TRUE 2.6 class trucks dont always show well at the bigger events because the rules change. Your 2.6 trucks in Indiana at least dont have an association that allows a 2.8 bushed charger to a 2.6, unless I'm just not thinking of one. Long winded but my two cents
 
ILLINOISRAM said:


I intend on getting my ass kicked this year in 2.8 but why should i build a 2.8 motor and put a 2.6 turbo on so that i might be able to make it to the finals and be in the top 26?

Tim
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Your right you bulit a 2.8 motor for the year 04-05 its now 2010 and thats the way 2.6 is going to be run. I dont like it either but when i roll my next truck out of the shop i will have kept that in mind just so i can run in the 2.6...
 
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