Billet cam vs regrind

I just found out about this thread ,Thanks Jeff.
i'll correct a few misconceptions.

I have both regrinds and new UGL "cast Billet" , and no we do not heat treat after grinding , no one dose , its not possible on any cam, .
I have 8620 steel billets in 54.5 mm stock, and 60 mm all-out bucks programs in both flat tappen and roller .


My cast billets if that what you want to call them are exactly like the ones Zack is showing , mine are brazil castings , and ground in the USA.

I’ve never lost a cam and this flaking issue has nothing to do what so ever with regrinding , its everything to do with the piss poor oil.



As to this guy talking about my cam, he had a retainer hitting the seal, plain and simple , Jeff told him that as did I . nothing more and nothing less

Here is a few pictures of my cams

I as well as the people at Bullet racing cams do not believe in a Parkerise acid wash on Cummins cams.
if you really want it , its free, but I do not use it because of several reasons , its cost about half a dollar, so its not cost , the lifters on a Cummins are extremely hard ,and the need to lap then in , is not a issue.

Here is a few pictures of my cams
I sent out 180 of these so far this year , and around 200 regrinds , and no problems . I am not going to post farther on this thread ,

I also do not grind a cookie cutter cam, where one size fits all, every cam is custom to the need of the person.

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Greg, these are not like the ones I sell because I have almost $20,000 worth of tooling to have a cam made to my specs whereas you use an un-ground factory 12v piece......BIG difference. Is your name cast into your cam, I don't think so. I was sent a sample of those cams from Engine Power Components, and turned them down due to lobe width. They are much cheaper than the ones I sell but I was not confident in the lobe width.They are better than cores some companies are using but they are still not close to the cams we are using.

As far as if your cams wiped lobes off, I believe you need the chance to answer if it was not your cams fault. They can be installed or set-up wrong. Please don't say your cam core is as good as mine, I do have a problem with that. I think I have one of those samples laying around I will try to post a picture so that people can see the lobe width difference.

Good evening.

Zach Hamilton
 
Hamilton Cams said:
Greg, these are not like the ones I sell because I have almost $20,000 worth of tooling to have a cam made to my specs whereas you use an un-ground factory 12v piece......BIG difference. Is your name cast into your cam, I don't think so. I was sent a sample of those cams from Engine Power Components, and turned them down due to lobe width. They are much cheaper than the ones I sell but I was not confident in the lobe width.They are better than cores some companies are using but they are still not close to the cams we are using.

As far as if your cams wiped lobes off, I believe you need the chance to answer if it was not your cams fault. They can be installed or set-up wrong. Please don't say your cam core is as good as mine, I do have a problem with that. I think I have one of those samples laying around I will try to post a picture so that people can see the lobe width difference.

Good evening.

Zach Hamilton
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you would be wrong , I acquired one from Engine power and its a good fence post . The lobes were just as narrow as a 12 valve core.

I have 200 or my own UGL and the lobes are the exact same width as yours. you need to get back on the horn to Geoff and ask for some more info
 
RacinDuallie said:
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don't you have one of you many projects to work on , or at least beg more parts from every one on the planet , heck, you need to get one from Zack so you will have a sponsored cam from everyone
my projects take a while , but each one has seen the track in good time

you could also spend the time and pack up some parts to return to Utah, I’m sure that would love to get them back.
 
COMP461 said:
don't you have one of you many projects to work on , or at least beg more parts from every one on the planet , heck, you need to get one from Zack so you will have a sponsored cam from everyone
my projects take a while , but each one has seen the track in good time

you could also spend the time and pack up some parts to return to Utah, I’m sure that would love to get them back.
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THIS THREAD IS ABOUT BILLET CAMS VS REGRINDS. I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR BULL**** DRAMA GREG. I don't give a damn why your cam failed, or who's is better. As usual you are derailing a tech thread. get your sh!t and get the fu*k out of the thread unless you have something useful to say
 
Rollin Coal said:
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT BILLET CAMS VS REGRINDS. I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR BULL**** DRAMA GREG. I don't give a damn why your cam failed, or who's is better. As usual you are derailing a tech thread. get your sh!t and get the fu*k out of the thread unless you have something useful to say
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It was until some one started a lie about one of my cams , so get off your high horse.

The guy put a head together wrong , and the thing beat it self up, no ones fault but his own, he was told that by me and Jeff among others .

And then Zack starts in on crap he know nothing about, Zack in nothing but a marketing arm of a Canadian company Colt Cams , a few years ago , Zack couldn’t explain LSA to me or any other, he has a cool picture of him next to a cam machine , but truth is all of his cams are ground by Geoff in Canada.

He spreads a lie that I get my cams from a cheap Chinese Cummins Knock off , The UGL’s I use are new and the same witdh as his.

The Parkerizing is not a good deal, in fact some of his cams took motors out , because Geoff didn’t understand that Cummins didn’t have cam bearings .

I grind as many cams as I want to , I don’t do a mass produced cookie cutter cam, that has to be tame enough to fit in every application


I have them in a lot of fast trucks , From Project X , the Predator truck, and Richs Buckley’s truck.
Your fine with all of this until I take up for my self , so kiss my #%#%

Now come on Geoff and answer this, because you boy in over his head again, and I know all the sheep will respond right after and defend him
 
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Rollin Coal said:
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT BILLET CAMS VS REGRINDS. I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR BULL**** DRAMA GREG. I don't give a damn why your cam failed, or who's is better. As usual you are derailing a tech thread. get your sh!t and get the fu*k out of the thread unless you have something useful to say
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dude, if someone dumped on your livelyhood with false information, would you just sit back and take it? :confused:

why aren't you cussing at Racin' Parts Stealer for posting gay pictures of popcorn? :confused: does that have ANYTHING to do with billet vs. regrind cams?
 
No, and i didnt say he should. Look at the post I quoted and replied to...... It was NOT the one about his cams
 
fair enough... so you're saying that Jeff should shut the **** up and go steal some more parts for his million year long build? I agree!!!
 
i think it just needs to be kept out of the tech threads on this board. I see it about as often as i see "what chip do i need for my truck" on cummins forum LOL
 
COMP461 said:
but truth is all of his cams are ground by Geoff in Canada.
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And your cams are ground in Mississippi by Bullet, what is your point? It does not bother me that any company sells a product that parts of the process are sub-contracted, simply be honest about it, such as Zach has done.
 
Smokem said:
And your cams are ground in Mississippi by Bullet, what is your point? It does not bother me that any company sells a product that parts of the process are sub-contracted, simply be honest about it, such as Zach has done.
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And we all think quality when we think Mississippi.

I'm with Weston. Nothing wrong with subbing stuff out, just don't act like you did it yourself.
 
To be honest all of the cams being produced right now are leaps and bounds above what used to be sold to the public! All the different manufacturers are working with the customer and offering different variations of their product, something that wasn't really offered in the past.

IMO true billet cams are not really needed anymore unless you are building a full out competition engine.
 
i have been running a maxspool race cam from greg for over a year. it works great and runs fast. i love it.
 
A 8620 billet was necessary when we could not get Cast ULG’s now that several have then, its only necessary on extreme engines, that is engines with really big P pumps turning high RPMs
On a CR its not necessary, its still a good idea to put bearings in a block if you going for high lifts , translating in to high spring pressures .

A regrind is not a problem in most street applications , but the correct , meaning 24 valve wide lobe separation angel cores are all but non existent , the reason for new UGL’s

Now the future is going to go to higher lifts bigger cam cores , I have a few 60 mm cores we are using on 2.6 truck’s These big cores are to allow more control of valve train motion , this is the same path I went down 12 years ago with the 55 mm small block cam’s.

The bottom line is there is nothing wrong with a regrind , if that is what you budget allows , the cam will be exactly the same dimensions as if you had of put that same grind on it to begin with..


If you want more cam, or a custom cam, then a cast UGL is the way to go. If a steel 8620 billet what you want , and your not worried about spending a twice as much , this this is the way to go. I do about 20 of the $1000 billets a year, and all but one went in to 12 valve pullers
 
Muddin_dude06 said:
To be honest all of the cams being produced right now are leaps and bounds above what used to be sold to the public! All the different manufacturers are working with the customer and offering different variations of their product, something that wasn't really offered in the past.

IMO true billet cams are not really needed anymore unless you are building a full out competition engine.
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Just bears repeating...

Todays cam's are better and cheaper than yesterdays. Competition is good.
 
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