Billet cam vs regrind

you no the funny thing here is half the people arguing, probably dont even have any experiance with cummins cam to beggin with. good job greg keep it up! and zach you dont build your own cam's so dont say YOU own $20,000 in equipment...
 
I don't know if you understand manufacturing sir. When you have something manufactured you pay a mold and tooling fee. I have much more than $20,000 in tools but that is irrelevant. That is why my name is cast into the cam. I paid for all of the tooling. Is there another cam manufacturer that has their name cast into the cam .......no. They buy oe or aftermarket stuff that is MUCH cheaper.

Greg, I'm not going to get into a pissing match. Put up or shut-up. If the cam you say is as good as mine, it will have a

1, a wide lobe at least 1.020"
2, have radiusing in between journal 1 and 2
3, have a thicker core
4, still retain the factory lift pump lobe
5, have radiused edges on the side of the lobe so that flaking does not occur
6, parkerized finish to aid in break-in

Post up a picture (aka proof) of each, not a doctored up cam for a picture, and I will give you props and lay off of the sub-par cams you have sold in the past.
If you don't post up a pic of your cam to prove these, then you are full of it which I suspect you are.

I am VERY glad you have picked my cam to compare yours to. That makes my day. What I said to you at TS still rings true!



Zach
 
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Hmmmm.... This has become quite the "show".

My question is this... Greg keeps spouting off about Zachs cams being all "Off the Shelf work in anything blah blah blah..."

Ummm... I don't really see where that is a problem. There are alot of guys with street trucks who like knowing that the cam they purchase WILL clear, and WILL have a gain. It's just peice of mind for the guys who don't want to get quite so serious and don't need the "Super OMG!! I just nutted my pants!!" experience that some state their "Custom" cams will provide.

Guess what! There ain't a cam on the market that makes THAT huge of a difference!

I also may need to go back and talk to Zach... But I'm pretty sure the cam that was ordered for my rig was completely custom to my needs. Meaning he does offer the same "custom" services that Greg and everybody else does. So that whole arguement is pretty moot.

In all the reading I've done here I've come to the conclusion that you Greg are a blow hard....

In my life experience. Those who are constantly stating how great they are... Usually aren't.

Yeah... Zach you got a little out of temper too. Try to keep your cool bro. Thats the reason I went with your product over the other guys.

Eh well... What the heck do I know... I'm a nobody.
 
greg I have a question for you if all that you do is grind cam to each application, then why on your thread on here did you list that you were doing grindings of your 2.5++ or 2.5. Is that not a cookie cutter cam?
 
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When this cam was installed, the installer put a fresh head on at the same time also.
 
Convicted1, you are right.

Here is the cool headed post-


Greg, I designed the custom cam core and paid for all the tooling. I own the casting molds, Nobody else. Because I own the molds Nobody has acces to the cam cores, especially not you. Unless you have paid to have your own cam cast, then your cam cannot be the same as mine. Please back up your claims with pics. Yes we agree on Parkin dually.


Pakindually, What gives man? Not to be a shrink or anything, but you have to see that your type of antagonistic behavior without contributing anything to the diesel community gets old. You must have amazingly thick skin to post without regard. By doing so it effectively negates most anything you say if you are trying to contribute. Have a little respect for the compd boards and I sure you will do just fine. The wife comment was a step in your direction consider it withdrawn.

Zac
 
I am not going to post farther on this thread ,

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what happen to sticking to what u say???
 
There is some cool stuff cooking in cam choices. Hang tight.
 
You would of had to change something or be out of the cam business. I hope you addressed the narrow lobes and the marine style bolt that weakens the cam too much for p-pump applications. Also does this mean you are crawfishing on the part about your cams lobe being wide enough for any application. One last thing, since you said your cams were made for you only, try having your name cast into them and stop grinding other companies logos and part numbers off of the side. It will sound more believable.

It is good that you are finally doing something about your $59 core. Competition is a great thing! Looking forward to seeing what you have! Now the customers are getting more choices. It is about time.



Zach Hamilton
 
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Looking forward, you guys might want to sell any assets that will depreciate in value soon.

As newer and better things arrive in the market place, the older stuff loses value. It will be increasingly difficult to sell these older parts as more time ticks away. Markets are unforgiving once the bleeding starts.
 
I had a re-grind and it was completly toast after 12,000 mi. Horrible pitting on 4 lobes. always kept up on oil changes and it was a fresh engine when the cam was put in. I pulled it to P-pump my 24v.
Company re-ground it again for me but I would not reccomend a regrind
 
'Bout time to make variable valve timing a reality...

who wants a bolt-on VVT gear for next season? :evil
 
Soup Nazi said:
Looking forward, you guys might want to sell any assets that will depreciate in value soon.

As newer and better things arrive in the market place, the older stuff loses value. It will be increasingly difficult to sell these older parts as more time ticks away. Markets are unforgiving once the bleeding starts.
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We got 4 trains heading towards each other, I agree someone is going to get hurt.

One thing I am glad of is that you are doing something different than your marine style helix pieces. I don't know how you have slept in the past selling those things for so much. The question is, will people forget about the poor quality and high prices combined with the lack of information in the past or will they buy into a name once again?. I look forward to seeing what you come up with, I bet it looks a whole lot closer to what I am selling than the $59 marine cam or the 4.6l springs you have sold in the past. It is funny that you threaten me with my products loosing value. That is a lesson I taught you well in the last year or so. Bolt on cams from almost $1000 to $488, springs from $625 to mid $300 range. Your right markets are unforgiving once the bleeding starts. I have put a lot of engineering time in my cams, quality and innovation don't loose value.
Kia's are 1/10th the cost of a mercedes benz. Mercedes still sells a lot of cars. Thanks for your market lesson. Let me give you one. I believe there is plenty of room for updated f-1 products trying to catch up and mine.

Also instead of threats, just post specs and try to leave all of the jibber-jabber and threats out.

Greg, still waiting on your specs to back up your claims. I suppose I will be waiting quite a while.

Zach
 
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You would of had to change something or be out of the cam business. I hope you addressed the narrow lobes and the marine style bolt that weakens the cam too much for p-pump applications. Also does this mean you are crawfishing on the part about your cams lobe being wide enough for any application.
Zach Hamilton
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Just what is wrong with a Helix cam with a p-pump...I have 2, and have installed 2 others...2 with 550cc or bigger pumps...no problems yet, and I don't forsee any ;) I have had very good results with any of Don's products I've used, and have been more than happy. I'm sure many of your customers can say the same as well?

Soup Nazi said:
There is some cool stuff cooking in cam choices. Hang tight.
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Sounds good...might happen to have a new project in the works!
Chris
 
man for those crappy, non speced, over priced cams they sure have done the job for a lot of people.

Zach a good portion of the market could care less about you blowing sunshine up your own ass. Every post I read is about you and how good you are. How about your client base start sharing how good your **** is. Specs on numerous parts are kept under the hat, so you try and brain wash a crap load of people with how strong, cheap and better your stuff that I would end up getting from Colt? Makes no sense, as far as I see it your sales stradegy is brutal and oh ya I cleaned the clock of a guy running your stage 4 against my wimpy Helix 2.
 
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every body can say what they want to about cams but i have a regind from greg in my race truck that turns 5k plus every time down the track. over 250 passes this year sofar. i have ajusted the valve 1 time after building the motor. i have checked them many times and they are always good. i have seen many high dollar cam get eat up in race car and have seen cheep cams last for ever. the best bet is to spend your money were you feel best about it. i know greg has been there to help with any problem at any time of the day or night. good luck with what ever any one goes with.
 
It is hard for me to believe that people are eager to pay so much for so little. Slow ramp rates narrow lobes and a cam that Don himself says is not for high rpm p-pumps. Even came out with another cam to address the problem. You are right they have served some well. I will not disagree. Facts are facts. It is still funny to me that people buy a product where there is an element of "magic" and mystery involved, and where the consumers are less than informed. In fact most of the cam grinders hide a lot of the specs from the average Joe. I guess informing the consumers is kind of an old fashioned outdated notion. Forgive me for trying to remove your blinders. I don't understand picking brands over sound engineering, it is illogical.


Oneton, I do sell to Colt, yes you can buy them from him, I still get my money. As far as the stage 4 cam, that is a small part of the package, you should know that. Congrats on your kill.
Zach
 
there was no pick brands here. i call greg and told him what i was building. i told him i needed a cam for 5k plus with big chagers we talk for a couple of hours about the setup and then he came up with the cam i have been running all year.
 
I'm glad all the competition has helped bring the prices to consumers down to a fair price,

I remember when I bought my first cam, it was a Helix 2 and Zach sold it to me and said it was just as good as his cam, that was along time ago and many things have changed, god knows I couldn't stand to pay another $850 dollars for a camshaft when we change our setups so much!

Glad to see the competition, it really is a great thing for the consumer, with cheaper prices and better quality products.
 
I agree with ya Tmoney, I bought my cam for $450 shipped about two years ago because a guy was parting his engine out. Now I could buy one brand new that would probably out perform mine for the same price lol.
 
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