dual feed, cont.

[bgilbert]

my time should be valuable to you

you have no idea of the professional teams i have worked with and the shops i have ran

don

Don are you trying to be the next comp461? And c'mon, you continually seem to be missing the fact about this and the other diesel sites you've been on, that we're about diesel performance, not gasser or bicycle trash!

BTW don't expect to see anything out of Don, I've seen and heard the same type of bs from him on a few other sites over the past year or so.

 

[smokin1997]

Personally mine dropped over a second, gained 10 mph, 3 mpg, and started pulling the wheels after this setup........it had never done a wheelie before this modification.....honest:umno:
Not as many as you say was ribbin' ya, but more like just thinking that your over thinking it, thats all. If you were short on vloume before it will help, and if you were not then it prob. will make no diff., I noticed zero diff. in power but it will stay as it is due to the fact that I feel its the better idea.
Ryan

yours, mine, and many others are fed this same way. i would like to SEE dons idea.

please post a pic for us don. then maybe we will change our setups

 

[displacedtexan]

if you want me to explain why i said you shoulda had industrial drill and tap the back boss i will

but if your ears are deaf and all you want to do is rip on people i am not going to waste the time

my time should be valuable to you

you have no idea of the professional teams i have worked with and the shops i have ran

don

Than explain it. Quit telling us you will.

And quit telling us how valuable we should think your time is. All you do is waste our time telling us how great you are, and what great ideas you have. Show us your awesome ideas. There comes a time when you need to put up or shut up. And that time has passed.

And to be honest, I'm not the only one here that doesn't really care, and isn't really impressed what professional teams you have worked with, or shops you have run.

 

[smokin1997]

Than explain it. Quit telling us you will.

And quit telling us how valuable we should think your time is. All you do is waste our time telling us how great you are, and what great ideas you have. Show us your awesome ideas. There comes a time when you need to put up or shut up. And that time has passed.

And to be honest, I'm not the only one here that doesn't really care, and isn't really impressed what professional teams you have worked with, or shops you have run.

:thankyou2:

hopefully mr. know it all will figure it out!

 

[SSpeeDEMONSS]

i vote no since we will probably never see it anyways. why start a thread asking if we want to see it?

why not just post the pics and tell us how it did. if not, then dont waste our time.

Garrett

 

[DTanklage]

see what slander does bill ?

and i find it interesting that some that voted no are not only repeatedly posting in the thread, but also asking to see what they said they did not want to see

 

[Cummins Driver]

Don, would you care to explain to me how the fuel is smart enough to just make a 90* turn from the front feed port, and go directly out the overflow valve without feeding anything first?

You do realize that the overflow valve has to have a certain amount of pressure to push it open to let fuel out, right?

If you are feeding from the front, and the rear of the pump, then when you turn your supply pump on(assuming the IP is empty), assuming that the lines are Y'd out and are the same length to the front and back of the pump from the Y, then the fuel is going to come in and meet between #3&4 plungers. Then, once the opening pressure for the Overflow valve is reached, some of the fuel from the front feed may exit out of the overflow valve, but it will still have a constant pressure in the pump and be supplying the front plungers because the pump will stay full of fuel unless you are running out of volume. The plungers do not go up and down all at the same time. So if any of #1-3 plungers are firing, the front feed will get fuel to them first. If #4-6 are firing, then the rear feed will get fuel to them first. And any extra fuel that gets into the pump(pressure) will go out the overflow.

Its not like you have some breakthrough idea here IMO.

You keep going on like everyone is shooting down your ideas, but you come in here acting like everyone should think you are some hero because you won a few gasser drag races.

Basically you argue with whatever you dont personally think is right, and then expect people to kiss your butt like your opinion is better than anyone elses. You came into my thread where i was asking about a turbo and start telling me how i should be towing with my truck when my thread was on turbo's, not a towing debate.

Maybe YOU should be more open to other peoples ideas and opinions. People who have tried MUCH more than you have in the diesel world, and then when you have some real DIESEL experience worth noting, you can start trying to help people by giving them real world advice instead of how well your theory's are going to work.

If you will sleep better at night by drilling all over your p-pump for probably a whole lot of nothing, then go ahead. But mine, and most others pumps will provide plenty of fuel with the current stock and dual feed setups available.

If you are going to do something, go do it and then tell us how it works. Until then, it would be nice if you quit acting like everyone is begging you to hear more of your "theory's".

Eric

 

[DTanklage]

Balh blah blah....wanna race ?
Name your price....I'll bring the car.

Make it 5 figures or don't waste our time.....

pm sent

dont think a public forum is the right place to negotiate such a race

just so you know i do have three words for you:

i aint scairt

 

[DTanklage]

eric, you were one of the first to vote no, saying you didnt want to learn about this

you have a stock pump and a stock turbo so i can tell you right up front this mod is not for you anyways

for those of you that are genuinely interested and may actually benifit from this i will post some pix later this week

don

 

[Big Blue24]

pm sent

dont think a public forum is the right place to negotiate such a race

just so you know i do have three words for you:

i aint scairt

Are you drinking and typing tonight?


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scairt

 

[DTanklage]

Don, would you care to explain to me how the fuel is smart enough to just make a 90* turn from the front feed port, and go directly out the overflow valve without feeding anything first?

You do realize that the overflow valve has to have a certain amount of pressure to push it open to let fuel out, right?

If you are feeding from the front, and the rear of the pump, then when you turn your supply pump on(assuming the IP is empty), assuming that the lines are Y'd out and are the same length to the front and back of the pump from the Y, then the fuel is going to come in and meet between #3&4 plungers. Then, once the opening pressure for the Overflow valve is reached, some of the fuel from the front feed may exit out of the overflow valve, but it will still have a constant pressure in the pump and be supplying the front plungers because the pump will stay full of fuel unless you are running out of volume. The plungers do not go up and down all at the same time. So if any of #1-3 plungers are firing, the front feed will get fuel to them first. If #4-6 are firing, then the rear feed will get fuel to them first. And any extra fuel that gets into the pump(pressure) will go out the overflow.

Eric

you do realize that most of our overflow valves have been removed and are in a box some where in our garages, right?

other than that (and your first paragraph) it sounds like you understand the flow thru my pump. so understanding that why not try to answer your own question? in these guys set ups, where they are feeding the stock local and the front plug, what percent of volume is in ea line and where is it going????

ps - thats everyones homework assignment for the week, think about that and post your answer!

 

[DTanklage]

Are you drinking and typing tonight?

quit drinkin almost 10 yrs ago

i know its not a word according to websters

it is street racin slang tho...

 

[Cummins Driver]

eric, you were one of the first to vote no, saying you didnt want to learn about this

you have a stock pump and a stock turbo so i can tell you right up front this mod is not for you anyways

for those of you that are genuinely interested and may actually benifit from this i will post some pix later this week

don

No, I wasnt one of the first to vote no. I just voted no before my last post, but I voted no because you are only trying to prove people wrong and trying to get a pat on the back from someone.

I dont have a stock turbo. I also would like to know what you classify as a "stock" pump? Is everyone but the people that have 13mm pumps running a "stock" pump?

Eric

 

[Cummins Driver]

you do realize that most of our overflow valves have been removed and are in a box some where in our garages, right?

other than that (and your first paragraph) it sounds like you understand the flow thru my pump. so understanding that why not try to answer your own question? in these guys set ups, where they are feeding the stock local and the front plug, what percent of volume is in ea line and where is it going????

ps - thats everyones homework assignment for the week, think about that and post your answer!

And you do realize that a regulator is doing the same thing as an overflow valve does, only it is adjustable?

As for your question. What does it matter the % of volume and where it is going? Obviously it is all getting into the pump. Fluid travels the path of least resistance, so if there is an opening in the pump it will flow through the line that can feed it the quickest and easiest, and if the overflow valve/regulator is the path of least resistance, then it will go back to the tank.

Eric

 

[DTanklage]

What does it matter the % of volume and where it is going?

Obviously it is all getting into the pump.

Fluid travels the path of least resistance, so if there is an opening in the pump it will flow through the line that can feed it the quickest and easiest, and if the overflow valve/regulator is the path of least resistance, then it will go back to the tank.

Eric

youre makin it too easy for em eric, you practically spelled the whole thing out right there

what does it matter? cool fuel is power and reliability

this is not just for 13 mil pumps. any p-pump that is gonna get built can get this mod

unfortunately existing pumps can not be plumbed like this tho

this is the future, not the past


keep going eric, you almost got it

 

[smokin1997]

well ya gotta be a little brain dead to throw your leg over a motorcycle that goes 4.20 175 mph dont ya?

lol

yes, thats 175 mph in 4 seconds.

60 foots in 1 second flat and is travellin almost 80 mph at that cone

faster than some of your trucks are going at the finish line

lol

cant be too smart there can i?

hey don,

are you related to greg hogue?

seems you both like to relive the past.

just curious.

let us know, thanks

 

[DTanklage]

the past? i am the current champ fool. back to back might i add...

and just so you all know dude (brokedick or what ever his nick is, the one that said he had a car and wanted to race me for 10k)....i said "okay, lets do it" and he is backpeddling. turns out it was not his car. i still say okay, as long as he drives it. maybe i will start a new poll to see how many would like to see this race?


now, back to topic. smokin1997 (sorry, dont know ur real name), did you do your homework? have you thought about where your fuel is going? spill it.

i have figured out an alternative for those that have pumps that are already installed on their trucks!

first i would kinda like to hear it from you guys tho...the ones that are dual feeding the way i say is wrong (frt n rear, return outta the front). what is the volume in ea line like and where is it going? think about it. look at your pump. this is not a trick question or complicated

was talking to rodney at diesel perf eng today and asked him if he has ever dual fed a pump the way you guys are. do you know what he said? "no way...most of the fuel would just go right out the return"

don

ps - since i already have answered the question to where your fuel is going might as well suggest what i would do. if i was going to dual feed a pump that is already installed on the truck i would put both supply lines to the front of the pump (frt plug n ofv location) and return out of the boss on the back (that used to be the inlet). do that and supply volume is 50/50. ea line feeding all 6 barrels. the only thing that would be better would be to have ea line independantly feeding 3 barrels, and thats what i am fixin to do. and outta the kindness of my heart i am going to show you how i do it...

 

[NickTF]

I would be interested to see if there is any differences as a result of your pump feeding plan. I probably would never do it given my goals would likely fall short of any benefit that may be had by doing this, but I wouldn't mind seeing it.

What I'm not interested in seeing is any more of this bickering. Yes, I know that I don't have to read these threads but since they have the potential to be mildly interesting I read them and all the crap that goes with them. Would everyone just simply chill out and agree to disagree. I don't care if you've run a top fuel dragster or invented the damn diesel next to rudolf, just relax and understand this is a discussion board not a site (that i've experienced too much in the past) where people get ignorant and make pointless insult after insult.

Thanks for the consideration.

 

[Gotlift01]

the past? i am the current champ fool. back to back might i add...

and just so you all know dude (brokedick or what ever his nick is, the one that said he had a car and wanted to race me for 10k)....i said "okay, lets do it" and he is backpeddling. turns out it was not his car. i still say okay, as long as he drives it. maybe i will start a new poll to see how many would like to see this race?

Just a little info for ya....insulting Rich and basically calling him a chick **** is a sure fire way to having your ass banned from this site. Obviously he already thinks you are a moron, so rattling his cage sure isn't going to get you far.

But back on topic....I read most of the last thread, and all of this one. This thread is going to turn into exactly the same as the last. You want people to accept your ideas and theories..??? Well an easy way to do that, is shut up, quit arguing with people acting like a hot shot with " I know everything" attitude, and post up some pics of what you are talking about, followed by some good solid numbers. When you do that, people will actually take you seriously and quit riding your ass about this. Until then.....the bashing will continue. Just my $.02

 

[UNBROKEN]

I was gonna clean the crap, including mine outta this thread in an effort to keep it on topic but after checking every off topic post I was left with the original post and 2 more...so screw it. LOL

Maybe there's some ground breaking info here...maybe not...but lets at least make a small effort to keep the posts aimed at that info.

Don...throw up a pic, diagram...whatever...along with some supporting information, testing or whatever you have and I suspect you'll get some real discussion out of the deal.