EFILive Beta First Impressions

black beauty said:
avoiding the question? or just miss it?
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Well, i'm not sure that i can give a great answer here....

However, having seen the Smarty and played with it, as well as reading up on it and talking to a friend who has the SSR tuning ability for his truck - That there really isn't a very good way to compare.

I'm of course an EFILive fan and beta tester for the Dodges, so my answer will probably come across biased which I don't want...

However, the SSR still seems to allow 'whole table' modifications in that, from what i've read and heard - you pick a # (say 1-20 or whatever) for your timing, then for your rail pressure, etc... You really don't have an idea of what is different from 1-20. There are i'm sure finer grained settings as well, however - EFI let's you view every cell of these tables (Timing, Pressure, Pilot, Main, Post, etc.)...

This is a bit of a gross analogy, but let's say that you know that at roughly half throttle and 2400-2800 RPM your truck surges because of turbo, or too much fuel, or whatever.... EFILive lets you go adjust JUST that part of say your fuel pressure table (making an assumption that logging has showed this is where the problem is, instead of just a wild guess which you'd have to do with ANY other tool on the market for the Dodge's). In short, you can isolate and dial in just the problem areas of the fuel pressure table (say 50-70 mm3 @ 2400-2800 RPM) to smooth them out, drop pressure, raise pressure, etc...

Again, my example is poor. The important points are that you can:
1- Data log your truck to find out what its doing (as part of owning an EFILive V2 cable)
2- Fine tune the rough spots to exactly what you want/need within the physical capabilities of the truck.

Let me know if i did a horrible job explaining here and i'll try to do better later tonight.
 
I understand. you did a nice job explaining....

One thing I like about the smarty is that I can load a different tune on it without going back to a tuner (shop) to get it re programmed.

Its just still up in the air want I want to do. I was dead set on efi. but after reading up on the new ssr, I need to think about what I want and what will suite me best.
 
black beauty said:
I understand. you did a nice job explaining....

One thing I like about the smarty is that I can load a different tune on it without going back to a tuner (shop) to get it re programmed.

Its just still up in the air want I want to do. I was dead set on efi. but after reading up on the new ssr, I need to think about what I want and what will suite me best.
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Yes you do need to consider what works for you, and what you want from your truck - as well as the planned mods, then try to make the best decision you can with the info at hand. Lots of choices, and lots of information to go from...

I don't think there is a one size fits all product in the diesel performance market :-)
 
I agree with you 100%. I tried smarty tnt and it ran like crap on my truck. my bullydog makes my truck run 10 times better then what the tnt did. If I do go with ssr, hopefully it will be different. Thanks for your responses.
Carry on!
 
ZFuller I think that was a good explanation, it made sense to me and made me want EFI for my 6.7 even More. I hope EFI is as quick getting the 6.7 out as they are hoping. Cant wait.

Now who is gonna write the book EFI FOR DUMMIES

im not a tuner (smarty, edge, banks Box player) but when I look at the tables pretty as they are they had just as well be written in japanese characters. I dont expect to be able to plug it in and walla magically tune a monster, but I very much want to LEARN how to safely tune things for my truck.

Now this I can read and tell ya what part of the heart makes each part of the line and how many millisecs it took to do it, if its good/bad/ischemic or time to update the will but i look at the EFI tables and am lost
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black beauty said:
I understand. you did a nice job explaining....

One thing I like about the smarty is that I can load a different tune on it without going back to a tuner (shop) to get it re programmed.

Its just still up in the air want I want to do. I was dead set on efi. but after reading up on the new ssr, I need to think about what I want and what will suite me best.
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Even if you are up in the air as to which one to get....really think about this; say down the road things change...with the efi all you would have to do is change some of the parameters, check how it responded on your laptop and you're able to adjust...main point is YOU can see what your truck wants/needs. With a SSR, you're blind as you're guessing to what your truck wants...

I'm not very computer savy....but I'm eagerly waiting for EFI for my truck. At 1st it's kinda mind boggling as those of us tread into new territory but there's classes we can attend to learn how to use this.

I'm more of a show me how and NOT a person who reads directions....show me a pic and I can put it together.

I'm rambling...but you see what I'm trying to say??

EFI = seeing what your truck wants/needs

SSR = guessing what your truck wants/needs which could poss. be a melted piston involved later....
 
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You make great points. Im not totally worried about peak HP. I want as much as I can get but at the same time be safe about it. with that being said, I guess efi is what I want
 
If the stock ecu can do a pilot and main easily at 4K it can do a single event well above 5k. I have no doubt the power stage can do it, its finding the code for the high idle limit.
 
black beauty said:
You make great points. Im not totally worried about peak HP. I want as much as I can get but at the same time be safe about it. with that being said, I guess efi is what I want
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A person doesn't have to want peak power, just being able to see/adj tables to their driving habits...with all the other programmers, a person really relies on the main stream, one size fits all type.

Like you discovered that bd was alot better for your truck than the smarty. Mine was viseversa....
 
mpracehemi - great points for him to consider...

I am (obviously) an EFI fan to the core. You can do ANYTHING with it that can be had with pretty much any of the other boxes/tuners/programmers.... I honestly want to beat the EFI drum all day long - but at the same time, I don't want to seem to be discounting other vendors products as they might be a better fit for an individual.

My opinion is that EFI will work for everyone big or small projects. I just don't want to come across as being negative towards other vendors. There are different learning curves with every product out there. EFI is (per my experience) the only one where you can both SEE and ADJUST specifically what you want to and need to for your individual setup....

There is talk about the RPM limiting and being able to overcome that in the last few pages as well. It may not be something that makes the first release - but it IS coming and will be figured out. Remember that we (the beta testers) have had the data logging ability for less than a week to start trying to isolate what is holding the ECU back from higher revs. Those guys will find the answer to it... however, they're also working on getting a product to market that TONS of people are waiting for.... They have to draw a line somewhere with features for the 'first cut' so everyone can get their tuning 'fix' and then drill down on the features as well as start testing for the 6.7 guys who are also patiently waiting :-) After them they have to come full circle and start tackling the SCI trucks...
 
Are there any beta testers here in the northeast? Who would be the go to guy here for custom tuning?
 
Dont know if its been discussed, but an EFI Live Tuned truck and a stock turbo made 540hp on a low reading dyno........
 
Bosshawg600 said:
Dont know if its been discussed, but an EFI Live Tuned truck and a stock turbo made 540hp on a low reading dyno........
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That's a great number. Where was that at? Dyno numbers are so rough to judge one to another - even with 'correction factors' thrown in...

Who was the tuner?
 
It was a Fleece Truck yesterday. Got to say the way that thing ran, EFI is looking very good!!!

Not sure on the rest of the setup, but Im sure it was decently set up.....And Im not one looking for Huge HP numbers or anything crazy. I just would love to tune for better driving charteristics!!
 
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Bosshawg600 said:
It was a Fleece Truck yesterday. Got to say the way that thing ran, EFI is looking very good!!!

Not sure on the rest of the setup, but Im sure it was decently set up.....And Im not one looking for Huge HP numbers or anything crazy. I just would love to tune for better driving charteristics!!
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I'd definitely like to know more about this setup. Hopefully the person is on the forum and makes a post about it.
 
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