Heavy Smoke on the Drag Strip

Smoke danger? LMAO

Line up next to a 6 sec. car on a bike at test and tune and have it lose a tire at half track in front of you. I would think there are hundreds of issues sanctioning bodies would like to correct before they even think about smoke.

I'm against running 2 totaly different vehicles that require massive saftey equipment.. I think it's a lack of common sense stupid. It's an un fair fight once crap hits the fan and it's not a race anymore.

15second truck and a 15 second civic..meh, they could meet on the road and do more damage. Even down to a 600cc bike, there are plenty of street driven trucks that would school a 600. I know I can give a somewhat older bike and possibly inexperience rider a real run for their money with my slow as junk work truck.

8 second car vs 12 second truck. Well, the truck will have an advantage if the car blow an oil line and loses it, but the guy getting run over by the truck better hope his cage can take a wall and 7000# of truck that possibly might drive right over the remains.

Why anyone would wanna allow a fast car and a fast bike run at the same time is beyond me. however, that one race with maxed out when he raced the bike, and the bike has a slower dial in, that is funny to watch however if maxed out lost a tire at the 1320, the guy on the bike, SMOKE OR NOT has no chance in surviving any sort of contact.

I won't Test and Tune next to a bike, or a a big tire car. It's not worth it because the chances of them losing control is much better then my truck personally.
 
Although there may be something to this thought, some racers want classes or orginizations built around just thier truck or race cars. So a 6510# truck w/o nitrous of course would like the rules to state a min. weight of 6509# and no nitrous allowed......same for a 'fast' smoke free race. Bringing early neg. attention to 'our' sport by pointing it out to people with athority and the idea to do something will be the demiss of our or short lived sport. Let it be. Most all of the fast camps understand whats being said and prob. agree to a point, every racer cares about the well being and saftey of his fellow competitor, no one would question that. The point is at very elevated hp levels it's not practical to ask for them to burn super clean, for sure with a mechanical inj. system, not all of us have any desire to race a Issuzu diesel with someones else's tuner on it...just an opinion. Let it be.

Totally understand where you are coming from, just kicking around ideas here and your is to let it be. Thanks for the input.
 
I actually agree with Subman about the whole smoke thing. I am quite envious of the new iron's ability to run without smoke. I decided to try drag racing myself only a couple of months ago. After 2 runs it became clear that some changes were in order. Some smoke is ok, but I like to be able to see the track at the end of the race. I decided to try a different approach and build a different motor. Wouldn't want the common rail guys to not be able to see my tailgate, they might not be able to find their way back to the pits if their GPS and Sat link go on the fritz.LOL
 
My only request is that I can spray enough nitrous so the spectators can see the timing board in my lane. I'm unhappy to say it's been hit or miss for the '09 season. I'd like to do better in 2010 and I modified my 'turbo program' to match.

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Everyone had a lot of fun telling me how far my head is up my butt on the thread where I was pushing common rails as the future of diesel drag racing and how I'm not a fan of smoke down the drag strip. Here are a few questions I would like everyone to seriously consider. To date, I'm not aware of any problems associated with smoke down the strip during the run, but this was discussed a bit on another forum and I'd like some of you guys comments on them. Would appreciate your honest opinions, no cute remarks that will derail the thread into name calling just what you honestly think. Thanks. These thought are my own as well as a compilation of others.

I for one and I'm not alone in this thinking don't believe that heavy smoke down the drag strip will alway be allowed. Sometime in the future there will be an accident happen and smoke will be blamed, right or wrong.

Heavy smoke that drifts into the other lane into the patch of a slightly slower vehicle causing it lose vision and crash.

Heavy smoke covering the fact that some fuild of some sort is spilled and the track people don't see it due to the smoke, say in the 1/8 mile or 1000' area. Next racer down that lane looses control and hits the wall.

Don't track officals take special note when a vehicle smokes at some point during a pass that there might be a problem and go and investigate? That is my experience when watching the races. That would be difficult to see if the track is covered in black smoke.

While it's very popular to say, the smoke is part of the show and that's what people come to see, I haven't seen enough specators at any diesel drag race event I've attended that would cause the owner to over look the potential for an accident especially if one had already been documented somewhere. Be it right or wrong.

How about insurance rates for the track owners? What will the insurance companies say or do if they think the track is allowing what the insurance company considers risk outside the normal operations due to smoke from diesel racers.

Other than the potential safety issues other things track owners have to consider are slowing down the event waiting for smoke to clear for the next racers, potenital for smoking out the down track lights for the next racers, etc.

Smoke free events are not going to happen, I know that, it's not realistic to think that will ever happen. But I would hate to see any track ban diesel vehicles due to down track smoke. There are tracks now in the west at least that do not like diesel racers do to the street tires tearing up the groove and yes all the smoke. I don't have any easy solutions but I think we need to start considering what we as racers can do to get in front of this. Waiting till something happens will be too late IMHO.

How many real full out diesel racers are there in the country, not that many, and at any one time probably half of them are down for one reason or another. But these are the vehicles many of the slower daily driver diesel owners try to emulate. Just like the kids smoking out people on the street think it cool, if they think heavy smoke is where it's at in drag racing due to the fast trucks doing it, that what they will want in their daily drivers they race on Friday night. Since there are literally thousands of these type of racers I'd bet that is where the problem will happen. As a lot of others, (some of you who don't speak up on forums but who PM my in agreement), we need to be proactive and see what might be accomplished to help the situation.

Waiting to read what you guys an gals have to say. :pop:

While you make some good points. Do you have a plan i place to fix this so called smoke issue?
 
After 2 runs it became clear that some changes were in order. Some smoke is ok, but I like to be able to see the track at the end of the race...

The last run I made, when it melted the motor. LOL I could hear the track annoncer say they had to wait for the smoke to clear before the next set of trucks could run. That is NOT good. If my truck smokes so much they have to delay racing because of it, changes need to be made!!!!

Some smoke is inevitable, but having to wait for it to clear to make another pass is ridiculous!
 
I only read down to where it was said something about smoke causing an accident. Could it happen? Yes. Freeze plugs have been blowing out left and right and causing accidents it seems like. Should all blocks be filled and no liquids be ran? Its racing. This isn't a smart a$$ post. I just think its a stupid thing to even debate about. There are problems EVERYWHERE! Never will it be perfect or 100% safe. Thats why its only allowed on the strip.
 
I only read down to where it was said something about smoke causing an accident. Could it happen? Yes. Freeze plugs have been blowing out left and right and causing accidents it seems like. Should all blocks be filled and no liquids be ran? Its racing. This isn't a smart a$$ post. I just think its a stupid thing to even debate about. There are problems EVERYWHERE! Never will it be perfect or 100% safe. Thats why its only allowed on the strip.


It's amazing Anthony and myself have finally agreed on something:rockwoot:
 
Everyone had a lot of fun telling me how far my head is up my butt on the thread where I was pushing common rails as the future of diesel drag racing and how I'm not a fan of smoke down the drag strip. Here are a few questions I would like everyone to seriously consider. To date, I'm not aware of any problems associated with smoke down the strip during the run, but this was discussed a bit on another forum and I'd like some of you guys comments on them. Would appreciate your honest opinions, no cute remarks that will derail the thread into name calling just what you honestly think. Thanks. These thought are my own as well as a compilation of others.

I for one and I'm not alone in this thinking don't believe that heavy smoke down the drag strip will alway be allowed. Sometime in the future there will be an accident happen and smoke will be blamed, right or wrong.

Heavy smoke that drifts into the other lane into the patch of a slightly slower vehicle causing it lose vision and crash.

If smoke is drifting into your lane, you are racing in a hurricane or are too slow to be in that class. Anyone who keeps it to the mat driving into smoke they cannot see through is a dumbass.

Heavy smoke covering the fact that some fuild of some sort is spilled and the track people don't see it due to the smoke, say in the 1/8 mile or 1000' area. Next racer down that lane looses control and hits the wall.

I have been to more diesel events than the average bear.... this has not been a problem as long as you don't have idiots in the tower... I have seen fluids get missed at gasser events too.

Don't track officals take special note when a vehicle smokes at some point during a pass that there might be a problem and go and investigate? That is my experience when watching the races. That would be difficult to see if the track is covered in black smoke.

See above

While it's very popular to say, the smoke is part of the show and that's what people come to see, I haven't seen enough specators at any diesel drag race event I've attended that would cause the owner to over look the potential for an accident especially if one had already been documented somewhere. Be it right or wrong.

Are you saying track owners are stupid then if they don't see the problem, or are you accusing them of being 12v fans?

How about insurance rates for the track owners? What will the insurance companies say or do if they think the track is allowing what the insurance company considers risk outside the normal operations due to smoke from diesel racers.

Once again, Diesels have been racing on much bigger stages than you have seen, and I have yet to hear any complaints from any track or NHRA.

Other than the potential safety issues other things track owners have to consider are slowing down the event waiting for smoke to clear for the next racers, potenital for smoking out the down track lights for the next racers, etc.

You obviously have not been to a big event, if you had you would see how ridiculous you sound. The smoke is generally in the next county by the time the pair makes the turn.

Smoke free events are not going to happen, I know that, it's not realistic to think that will ever happen. But I would hate to see any track ban diesel vehicles due to down track smoke. There are tracks now in the west at least that do not like diesel racers do to the street tires tearing up the groove and yes all the smoke. I don't have any easy solutions but I think we need to start considering what we as racers can do to get in front of this. Waiting till something happens will be too late IMHO.

The smoke is a scapegoat. The tracks dont like street tires (understandable) and opinionated Dmax owners LOL :poke:

How many real full out diesel racers are there in the country, not that many, and at any one time probably half of them are down for one reason or another. But these are the vehicles many of the slower daily driver diesel owners try to emulate. Just like the kids smoking out people on the street think it cool, if they think heavy smoke is where it's at in drag racing due to the fast trucks doing it, that what they will want in their daily drivers they race on Friday night. Since there are literally thousands of these type of racers I'd bet that is where the problem will happen. As a lot of others, (some of you who don't speak up on forums but who PM my in agreement), we need to be proactive and see what might be accomplished to help the situation.

Waiting to read what you guys an gals have to say. :pop:

The tires will get the street guys before the smoke will. There is 10X the track prep involved when street radial guys are out there.
 
why couldnt the drag guys run their exhaust into a big box like pullers have to do inside?

sure it has some weight but if made out of aluminum or something light it wouldnt have that much affect on times..

are you effin kidding me?:doh: LMAO
 
Us dodge guys are all to familiar with this saying:

"if you can't beat them, ban them!"
 
I think one thing that might be getting missed here...

It's not as if the mech pump guys are pumping fuel into the exhaust for a show and nothing else. If they turned the fuel down and the trucks went faster, instead of slower you wouldn't see the smoke. The fact of the matter is, whatever is FASTEST is what's going to happen. A nice side-effect has been the fact that it happens to be damn fun to watch a billowing trail of smoke following a fast ass truck to the big end.

So...

As I've stated before, when the FASTEST trucks are running smokeless, this will become a serious question to ask. Until then it's just not a practical discussion. Nobody's going to turn down a pump and go slower on purpose.
 
We had a situation here locally where a truck with a wastegate issue fogged the track really bad. The tower went nuts on him and they had to wait several minutes for the track to clear. Then they sent the rubber truck down both lanes because of the soot on the track.

The same truck (12V W/Twins) smoked the driver in the other lane so badly that you can see the car hitting the brakes (In the video). The smoked driver went to the tower and complained rather loudly for several minutes. Nothing was said to the driver of the truck. The owner of the truck in not intentionally doing this, he is just dialing in a new setup. Someday he will be able to use the stages of N2O and it will help clear it up.
 
See we are starting to have a little fun and that's cool, lets try and not let it degenerate totally into that. Had a friend riding a pretty quick bike hit a patch of coolant the track officials missed and dropped his bike at 140mph. Bike hit the wall, he didn't thank god and he slid for about 300feet and rolled another 200 or so. Got a little scrapped up but not bad. Who dropped the coolant? They didn't know, but had it been a smoking diesel truck in front of him we all know who would have been blamed. Scapegoat, yes I think smoke could well be a scapegoat. It's an easy thing for the track to regulate and as I said, diesel events outside of maybe a couple of outlaw events are not big crowd draws. If the track don't make money on them then why have them if they tear up the track and no one comes to watch them? People like noise and big ass white smoke burn outs, not quiet diesels with some turbo whine where many 4x4 drive around the water box. I don't know of anyone who enjoys watching a bunch of slow diesels plod down the track except the folks who are racing them and their friends. The biggest draw for these are the Friday night street legals when they are racing the imports.

I agree that mixing classes is dangerous. That pass with the bike that Max'd Out made was an elimination in the pro brackets during the Halloween Classic.

I don't agree that the smoke is always gone by the time the vehicles leave the track, sure most of the time, but that wasn't the case in Bowling Green in a few instants this last month during the Eastern Regional Finals of NHRDA.

Do I have an answer or plan, nope that why I started this tread to get some of your people's input. Obviously we all know one solution which isn't acceptable to any of us. I for one would not like to see the mechanical injection diesels banned. I want to compete against them to measure where we are and what we have to do to get better. We raced a lot this last summer without any real competition, that's is no fun. Main reason we are planning to make some of the events east of the Mississippi this next season, is to race some of the fast trucks in that part of the country.
 
That's entirely my fault. When I first started writing my response no one had replied. By the way, your 2 minute response time was excellent. Hopefully you didn't get a BBA(Banks Bash Alert) while you were street racing some punk and have to pull over to write a response.

LOL
 
I think one thing that might be getting missed here...

It's not as if the mech pump guys are pumping fuel into the exhaust for a show and nothing else. If they turned the fuel down and the trucks went faster, instead of slower you wouldn't see the smoke. The fact of the matter is, whatever is FASTEST is what's going to happen. A nice side-effect has been the fact that it happens to be damn fun to watch a billowing trail of smoke following a fast ass truck to the big end.

So...

As I've stated before, when the FASTEST trucks are running smokeless, this will become a serious question to ask. Until then it's just not a practical discussion. Nobody's going to turn down a pump and go slower on purpose.

Charles I couldn't agree with you more, and as I said before I think that will happen in time, I just hope we don't get the hook due to unfriendly tracks toward smoking diesels in the mean time.
 
I do know that my home town drag racing association is thinking about banning diesel trucks. They had 2 oil downs this year, and they both happened to be diesel trucks (mine being one of them) I am arguing with them over this decision.. but they are whinning about the smoke and everything else... I am not 100% sure I will win this one... and I have been racing with that association for allmost 30 years now. And my truck dosent smoke too bad, just a little off the line and then none.

I also do not know what the answer is, but there has to be something we can do.... I hear more and more where tracks are turning away diesel trucks, for various reasons
 
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