Letter to EPA from ATS

IBDMAX'IN said:
LOL, Joel was never the best internet poster!! But that's largely due to the fact he is so passionate about the things he believes in, and one of those things is ATS. I know this because I got to stare at his ugly mug every day for the better part of two years before he moved offices. But I do consider him a friend, as I do with most everyone at ATS, and ATS as a company.

Some of you may find this hard to choke on comming from a former employee of ATS, but I still sell their parts and back their products. Every company has it's problems, not a single one I've ever worked for has ever come close to being without them. But ATS does care about the industry and the people in it, at least that's what I believe. And when I say ATS, I'm not talking about a person, ATS is not a person. ATS is close nit family of diesel enthusiasts that don't come to work, they come to their passion, I know, I used to be one of them.

I, like most people am shocked to see this kind of stuff hit the internet. I'm not here to defend the intentions of this letter, it's destination, or the creator of it. But I can tell you that letter is not what ATS is about. That's why the people "Of" ATS defend it so whole heartedly. I have no doubt every person in that building right now is feeling just as violated as the people the letter was directed at. They didn't write that letter or have any knowledge of it's exsistance. So it's hard for me to sit back and watch the past couple days and watch the ever living crap get kicked out of my friends over something ONE (Maybe more) person/s wrote, and another person STOLE.

Now Mr. Cable's, better known around ATS as Stewy. What the hell were you thinking?? I mean after all the legal training you've had, numerous years of schooling to train you to follow the law and not your personal feelings, the oath you took to do what's best for the company from a legal stand point. I mean, you are such a good LAWYER you even had Clint chitty his drawers reading that letter!!!! I suppose it was a good thing having someone other than a LAWYER read that thing before it was sent :bang. It does however suck that someone got ahold of it and posted it creating the very effect that I'm sure Clint was trying to avoid by having it sent.

I think your too good of an Attorney that you should just go back to your old job, some people my not know you by your current alias so I'll refresh their memory with something they my remember: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

You were such a stud muffin before your legal days. (If you don't sue me, I promise to forgive you for being a waaaay to legally injected HUMAN BEING.

But beyond my horrible attempt at humor, I really don't wanna take away from the seriousness of my intent with my post. I really think that the damage is done, people have their opinions and I'm not going to change that, but for heavens sake guys, lets move on already. You each have your choice to believe or not believe, buy or not buy, lets not continue on with voicing which one in an internet gangbang.

I will add a disclosure: I used extreme sarcasm, attempted humor and personal emotion in my post, please take no offense, but rather look upon with an open mind.

Thanks for you time diesel community, and have a merry CHRISTMAS!!!

Cheers,
Wade
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When I talked to you last night and you mentioned that Stewie looked like Rick, I never thought you'd rick roll the whole forum, my friend. LOL

Keep coming around, Wade. :Cheer:
 
JoelRichards said:
My name is Joel Richards. Many of you know who I am. I’m the IT guy at ATS whom some of you think should be replaced/fired/burned at the stake, etc… I’m a contractor for ATS and have been for over 5 years. I’m the one responsible for the ATS website, email servers, application servers, among other various things.

I’m sending this out because I feel that somebody should give you all a life-lesson. Might as well be me. I'm not posting on behalf of ATS. I'm posting on behalf of me. I wasn't asked to post, nor was I asked not to.

Read fast, as this will surely be deleted in short order... Copy and paste on other forums at your hearts content as this will be the only forum I post to since it all started here with someone thinking he was doing the world a whole bunch of good. For those of you whom this does not apply to, please forgive my use of broad terms such as “all” in the following text.

I love the fact that the people posting this rhetoric use the “I’m not sure if this is true, but...” line of crap. Here’s a new concept for you. Find out if it’s true before you post, eh? Wow – hard concept to grasp sometimes I guess. I’m also aware that there will be pieces of this letter that are pulled out and will be used out of context – it’s to be expected, but oh, well. It will be interesting to see who’s afraid to post it in it’s entirety and who isn’t.

So, I begin:

The vast majority of you are propagandizing hypocrites! You sit behind your keyboards and pass judgment on ATS and Clint, but you don’t know 1/10th of what goes on at ATS or any other place of business in which you deal with.

So, Clint admits that the letter was written. He could have just as easily denied the whole thing – after all, only Clint and Stewart even knew the letter existed. Everybody at ATS was as stunned as I was when the letter hit the forums. Clint admitted the letter was written, and also said that he shot down the idea immediately. What do you all take from this? You don’t take the fact that he ADAMANTLY said not to proceed with the letter at all, but rather you just look at the admittance of the letter being in existence to add to your condemnation of him and ATS. What else would anybody expect from a bunch of forum rats. Sometimes I wonder why I’m no longer active on forums... Thank you all for reminding me!

Then you all condemn ATS with the “lawyers don’t do things like this on their own” bull****. Are you so stupid that you can’t figure out from the many posts about it that Stewart is the OPERATIONS MANAGER of ATS! Of course he knows what’s going on with EVERY ASPECT of the company – and he’s an attorney to boot. He serves multiple roles in the company, but some of you obviously can’t comprehend that. For the past two years Stewart has attended every CARB/EPA/SEMA meeting with Clint so that ATS could try to help relax the EPA’s rules on diesel emissions – for the benefit of the entire diesel community! How stupid can you be??!! The difference between stupidity and idiocy is simply this: idiots don’t have the capacity to learn, therefore they are doomed to an idiots’ existence – stupid people, on the other hand, have the capacity to learn but they refuse to because they are lazy and would rather have others do the thinking and learning for them. Open your eyes and you’ll see what the hell is going on here, or keep them closed and continue to be lead around by the invisible noose around your neck like sheep being lead to slaughter. The choice is yours – seriously.

So now we get the “I don’t buy that Clint’s email was hacked” bullcrap. I’ll enlighten you as to some of those things at ATS that you aren’t aware of. Clint trusts the management of ATS with privileged information – he trusts that team to the extent that ALL OF THEM KNOW HIS PASSWORDS for his email, domain, etc… Imagine that! That’s one of the many ways he’s helped by his management team to run ATS – you’re all fools if you think he runs this company all by himself. Some of the people that were management at ATS are no longer around. You constantly bring up ex-ATS employees that are disgruntled. It’s no secret that there is a high level of animosity between those ex-employees and ATS. Unfortunately, Clint hasn’t changed any passwords until just last week when it was discovered that his email was compromised. You’re all pissed that this letter, which was privileged and confidential, was released on the forums. You’re pissed that Clint is upset for people finding out what was one person’s thoughts on a specific situation. Don’t you think he has a right to be upset that an idea he said no to is out there being used to discredit him? Are all of you so daft that you can’t see what the hell is going on here? So, the person who ILLEGALLY compromised Clint’s email decided to grab a copy of something he thought would bury ATS. It was sent around to everyone under the sun so that numerous people could again attempt to discredit ATS to the best of their ability – but you’re all ok with that person sending the email…

So you’re all pissed off at Clint. You’re saying that the letter was “leaked to the forums on purpose” – what kind of glue are you sniffing??!! Now all that ATS has to do is find out what can legally be done to prosecute the person who accessed Clint’s email without his knowledge or consent. Make no mistake about the fact that ATS will prosecute the spineless twink who did it. Many of you know who it is, in fact, but you refuse to “rat him out”. You all protect him, yet have him to thank for everybody in the diesel community, including the EPA being made aware of PDI manufacturing and selling DPF delete kits. Yeah, that’s right - him, not Clint.

Speaking of DPF delete kits, everyone reading this knows that they are illegal. They will void your manufacturers warranty, and it’s against the law to install one of them on your truck – PERIOD! To hell with the “this product for offroad use only”, and the releases that must be signed to purchase one. Why do you think that you have to sign one of those releases anyway? It’s because they are ILLEGAL!

Some of you also have stated that Clint has been sending letters to the EPA for a year – putting DDP in Monroe out of business or some such crap. Where’s the proof? Show me the letter – show all of us the letter. You can’t because IT DOESN’T EXIST! You’re just trying to be big man on campus pulling crap out of your rear end to sling and see if it sticks. God, I hate liars. Very few of you demand proof of such crap, but when it comes to ATS and Clint, you need no proof at all because you read it on the Internet... What gives?

How many of you believe that the US Government is hiding aliens down in Roswell? These forums are a conspiracy theorists’ wet dream!

Many of you seem top think that this is a carefully concocted marketing plan to advertise the release of the ATS’ new DPF system. Perhaps some of you really are idiots and not just plain stupid after all.

Besides all of this, according to the vast majority of you, Clint and ATS doesn’t have the ability to design and manufacture products. ATS is the ONLY company to offer their unprecedented warranty on ATS manufactured products. Who is manufacturing all of ATS’s products then? Get a clue, people!

So now, thanks to the person who compromised Clint’s email, that person has generously provided the EPA with numerous lists via all of the forums of a good many of you who would rather break the law by installing DPF Delete Kits rather than try to help find a solution for the inevitable fact that DPF’s are a part of every diesel owners future. He’s a hero, and Clint is an ass??? Get real!

Now, all of you are calling for a boycott of ATS – “Let’s put Clint out of business” most of you are saying. To hell with the 40 people he employs who don’t even know that these forums exist. To hell with all of those employees and their families??!! I mean, Hey! They can just find other jobs in this economy. There are plenty of jobs available for converter builders, dyno operators, transmission builders, shipping personnel – no problem, right? Or the vendors which ATS deals with, or the taxes ATS pays to help bolster the local economy. To hell with all of them due to some spineless twink illegally compromising Clint’s email thinking he’s doing something good for everyone – copying that email which was stricken down by Clint the second he read it.

Yeah, Clint and ATS is surely the bad guy here – right??? All of you who subscribe to this rhetoric are just simple hypocrites. Nothing more, nothing less.
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joel i am not afraid to repost it. i will say this thanks for coming up with your own thoughts!

the first ats guy to post tried to lie about who stewart worked for the fact he works for ats should have calmed some people down that is why i posted i believe he was on staff bryan than posted i lied, you said i was correct.

then eric gets on here and post a smart ass response for all offensive post to him, this did no good at all.

here's the bottom line folks. this has run its coarse and then run it again the longer it gets the more damage is being done. none of it is good some will boycott some will forgive someone, some will not. we have heard ats's side and i can see some of all sides.

the epa and carb knows all about dpf deletes, and all other illegal products being used every day by diesel owners, they are working with a number of diesel performance companies to make a law that they can enforce reasonably at this time. i can tell you that clint and stewart are on that list and that without the help of thier company and others dpf deletes and other products may have already been gone for good.


this thread should have been left closed!!

want to see how easy it is for the epa to find out what is going on in the diesel world just go to google and type diesel epa ats and see this thread first thing
 
I have a lot of reading to do....BUT,

ATS replies aside...

Bottom line is...the letter was written, the intent of the letter is clear, and it was a totally douche bag thing to do.

It was stolen...wrong.
Some people's reactions...wrong.
Posting before it was confirmed...wrong.
Constant ATS bashing...wrong.


BUT.....MOST IMPORTANTLY,

Writing the letter at all was WRONG.
 
^^^thats a bad idea since it was never meaant to get to her, if it does then she can come after people with illegal mods. best to keep it in the weeds, but im sure the EPA already knows as some not so smart person has probably emailed her already.
 
Dennis Perry said:
This is directed to Eric and Joel,

I have noticed you have quoted everyone on the thread but you have not commented on how nice my boat is:what:...Just in case you missed the pic I will post it up again. You have to admit it is a really cool boat:rockwoot:


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Sweet boat Dennis! I want a ride! of course when you get it back from the pirates...lmao
 
I remember being at the Crude drags Feb 23, 08 . ATS was there and they had a 6.7 delete on one of there trucks, I walked over and talked to them, excited about the progress on these ineffeciant Fuel hogs. They where telling me that it was one of there kits! This is what I don't understand. And Yes I do feel for the 40 employees at ATS, but this just shows that Clint really doesn't care about them. Other wise he wouldn't be writing letters to comprimise ATS's future.
 
Dennis Perry said:
This is directed to Eric and Joel,

I have noticed you have quoted everyone on the thread but you have not commented on how nice my boat is:what:...Just in case you missed the pic I will post it up again. You have to admit it is a really cool boat:rockwoot:


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Nice Boat, love the name !

Dennis, I think you need some new T-Shirts for guest on the Boat..... Give us a hand, maybe?
 
Dennis Perry said:
This is directed to Eric and Joel,

I have noticed you have quoted everyone on the thread but you have not commented on how nice my boat is:what:...Just in case you missed the pic I will post it up again. You have to admit it is a really cool boat:rockwoot:


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This thread would be usless with out the boat you have me laughing! You tow it with Caged furry?
 
ATS will have some comp on there EX manafolds soon t3 &t4 and you wont have to get one of theres for what ever
 
Timbeaux38 said:
The general atmosphere of this form may appear to be more "hostile" than others because there are a great deal more hardcore diesel enthusiasts per capita at Comp D than any other place I can think of....... Couple that with the fact that we moderate a bit more freely than other places and well, things get dicey from time to time. Comp D is not and was not intended to be a "chip and exhaust" forum, so the members cannot be expected to be as nonchalant as those who make 300 hp, pull a camper and only read event coverage in a magazine. The guys here are quite opinionated and very loyal to those who support them. Take John Porterfield for example. That guy would walk through fire for you guys. Now imagine a place with a bunch of folks who are just as enthusiastic as John and support any number of manufacturers with just as much tenacity................. That is Comp D.

BTW, when it comes to opinions of folks, I'll say this:
Clint has never been anything but professional with me. Many folks I am close to speak super highly of you guys and I value their opinions very much. I have had no direct dealings with ATS other than shooting the breeze from time to time with Clint and other staff, so I have no place commenting on how you guys do business or your products.

Thanks for coming on and taking part in the discussion Eric. The crowd here may not show it, but it is appreciated.
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Tim:

Good post buddy! I hope you don't mind me "quoting" some from your post, but I saw your comments on me concerning ATS. You were "right on" about my relationship with ATS and this incident is not going to change that from my perspective. You are right Tim, I would "Walk through fire for the guys at ATS!" And I will probably get "flamed" some here for my comments, and if so, that is fine.

I have been doing business with them since 2000-2001 and have had their ATS Transmissions in all four (4) of my trucks since then. I have had a great relationship with Clint Cannon, Ranee, Mike, Eric, Sean, Robert and the entire group during that time. While mistakes may have been made during this incident, it is pretty amazing to me the amount of hatred that has come out from this toward ATS. Especially in the light of the fact of how well they have stepped up with sponsorship etc. for so many of the diesel events
across the U.S. the past few years. But, IMHO, that is the way this country is right now, not only in the diesel performance business, but in world business as well.

Like you, I also want to thank and commend Eric McCabe at ATS for coming in here under hostile circumstances to at least try and answer questions and explain things to the CompD Members. THANKS Eric!:rockwoot: You have always treated me with respect and helped me out anytime you could. Hang in there my friend!

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