Letter to EPA from ATS

I want to hear more about the boat and the stripper poles :hehe: :hehe:
 
Because sledpullers are not smart enough to write letters like that.-----or is that dumb enough to write letters like that?
 
JoelRichards said:
My name is Joel Richards. Many of you know who I am. I’m the IT guy at ATS whom some of you think should be replaced/fired/burned at the stake, etc… I’m a contractor for ATS and have been for over 5 years. I’m the one responsible for the ATS website, email servers, application servers, among other various things.

I’m sending this out because I feel that somebody should give you all a life-lesson. Might as well be me. I'm not posting on behalf of ATS. I'm posting on behalf of me. I wasn't asked to post, nor was I asked not to.

Read fast, as this will surely be deleted in short order... Copy and paste on other forums at your hearts content as this will be the only forum I post to since it all started here with someone thinking he was doing the world a whole bunch of good. For those of you whom this does not apply to, please forgive my use of broad terms such as “all” in the following text.

I love the fact that the people posting this rhetoric use the “I’m not sure if this is true, but...” line of crap. Here’s a new concept for you. Find out if it’s true before you post, eh? Wow – hard concept to grasp sometimes I guess. I’m also aware that there will be pieces of this letter that are pulled out and will be used out of context – it’s to be expected, but oh, well. It will be interesting to see who’s afraid to post it in it’s entirety and who isn’t.

So, I begin:

The vast majority of you are propagandizing hypocrites! You sit behind your keyboards and pass judgment on ATS and Clint, but you don’t know 1/10th of what goes on at ATS or any other place of business in which you deal with.

So, Clint admits that the letter was written. He could have just as easily denied the whole thing – after all, only Clint and Stewart even knew the letter existed. Everybody at ATS was as stunned as I was when the letter hit the forums. Clint admitted the letter was written, and also said that he shot down the idea immediately. What do you all take from this? You don’t take the fact that he ADAMANTLY said not to proceed with the letter at all, but rather you just look at the admittance of the letter being in existence to add to your condemnation of him and ATS. What else would anybody expect from a bunch of forum rats. Sometimes I wonder why I’m no longer active on forums... Thank you all for reminding me!

Then you all condemn ATS with the “lawyers don’t do things like this on their own” bull****. Are you so stupid that you can’t figure out from the many posts about it that Stewart is the OPERATIONS MANAGER of ATS! Of course he knows what’s going on with EVERY ASPECT of the company – and he’s an attorney to boot. He serves multiple roles in the company, but some of you obviously can’t comprehend that. For the past two years Stewart has attended every CARB/EPA/SEMA meeting with Clint so that ATS could try to help relax the EPA’s rules on diesel emissions – for the benefit of the entire diesel community! How stupid can you be??!! The difference between stupidity and idiocy is simply this: idiots don’t have the capacity to learn, therefore they are doomed to an idiots’ existence – stupid people, on the other hand, have the capacity to learn but they refuse to because they are lazy and would rather have others do the thinking and learning for them. Open your eyes and you’ll see what the hell is going on here, or keep them closed and continue to be lead around by the invisible noose around your neck like sheep being lead to slaughter. The choice is yours – seriously.

So now we get the “I don’t buy that Clint’s email was hacked” bullcrap. I’ll enlighten you as to some of those things at ATS that you aren’t aware of. Clint trusts the management of ATS with privileged information – he trusts that team to the extent that ALL OF THEM KNOW HIS PASSWORDS for his email, domain, etc… Imagine that! That’s one of the many ways he’s helped by his management team to run ATS – you’re all fools if you think he runs this company all by himself. Some of the people that were management at ATS are no longer around. You constantly bring up ex-ATS employees that are disgruntled. It’s no secret that there is a high level of animosity between those ex-employees and ATS. Unfortunately, Clint hasn’t changed any passwords until just last week when it was discovered that his email was compromised. You’re all pissed that this letter, which was privileged and confidential, was released on the forums. You’re pissed that Clint is upset for people finding out what was one person’s thoughts on a specific situation. Don’t you think he has a right to be upset that an idea he said no to is out there being used to discredit him? Are all of you so daft that you can’t see what the hell is going on here? So, the person who ILLEGALLY compromised Clint’s email decided to grab a copy of something he thought would bury ATS. It was sent around to everyone under the sun so that numerous people could again attempt to discredit ATS to the best of their ability – but you’re all ok with that person sending the email…

So you’re all pissed off at Clint. You’re saying that the letter was “leaked to the forums on purpose” – what kind of glue are you sniffing??!! Now all that ATS has to do is find out what can legally be done to prosecute the person who accessed Clint’s email without his knowledge or consent. Make no mistake about the fact that ATS will prosecute the spineless twink who did it. Many of you know who it is, in fact, but you refuse to “rat him out”. You all protect him, yet have him to thank for everybody in the diesel community, including the EPA being made aware of PDI manufacturing and selling DPF delete kits. Yeah, that’s right - him, not Clint.

Speaking of DPF delete kits, everyone reading this knows that they are illegal. They will void your manufacturers warranty, and it’s against the law to install one of them on your truck – PERIOD! To hell with the “this product for offroad use only”, and the releases that must be signed to purchase one. Why do you think that you have to sign one of those releases anyway? It’s because they are ILLEGAL!

Some of you also have stated that Clint has been sending letters to the EPA for a year – putting DDP in Monroe out of business or some such crap. Where’s the proof? Show me the letter – show all of us the letter. You can’t because IT DOESN’T EXIST! You’re just trying to be big man on campus pulling crap out of your rear end to sling and see if it sticks. God, I hate liars. Very few of you demand proof of such crap, but when it comes to ATS and Clint, you need no proof at all because you read it on the Internet... What gives?

How many of you believe that the US Government is hiding aliens down in Roswell? These forums are a conspiracy theorists’ wet dream!

Many of you seem top think that this is a carefully concocted marketing plan to advertise the release of the ATS’ new DPF system. Perhaps some of you really are idiots and not just plain stupid after all.

Besides all of this, according to the vast majority of you, Clint and ATS doesn’t have the ability to design and manufacture products. ATS is the ONLY company to offer their unprecedented warranty on ATS manufactured products. Who is manufacturing all of ATS’s products then? Get a clue, people!

So now, thanks to the person who compromised Clint’s email, that person has generously provided the EPA with numerous lists via all of the forums of a good many of you who would rather break the law by installing DPF Delete Kits rather than try to help find a solution for the inevitable fact that DPF’s are a part of every diesel owners future. He’s a hero, and Clint is an ass??? Get real!

Now, all of you are calling for a boycott of ATS – “Let’s put Clint out of business” most of you are saying. To hell with the 40 people he employs who don’t even know that these forums exist. To hell with all of those employees and their families??!! I mean, Hey! They can just find other jobs in this economy. There are plenty of jobs available for converter builders, dyno operators, transmission builders, shipping personnel – no problem, right? Or the vendors which ATS deals with, or the taxes ATS pays to help bolster the local economy. To hell with all of them due to some spineless twink illegally compromising Clint’s email thinking he’s doing something good for everyone – copying that email which was stricken down by Clint the second he read it.

Yeah, Clint and ATS is surely the bad guy here – right??? All of you who subscribe to this rhetoric are just simple hypocrites. Nothing more, nothing less.
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LOL, Joel was never the best internet poster!! But that's largely due to the fact he is so passionate about the things he believes in, and one of those things is ATS. I know this because I got to stare at his ugly mug every day for the better part of two years before he moved offices. But I do consider him a friend, as I do with most everyone at ATS, and ATS as a company.

Some of you may find this hard to choke on comming from a former employee of ATS, but I still sell their parts and back their products. Every company has it's problems, not a single one I've ever worked for has ever come close to being without them. But ATS does care about the industry and the people in it, at least that's what I believe. And when I say ATS, I'm not talking about a person, ATS is not a person. ATS is close nit family of diesel enthusiasts that don't come to work, they come to their passion, I know, I used to be one of them.

I, like most people am shocked to see this kind of stuff hit the internet. I'm not here to defend the intentions of this letter, it's destination, or the creator of it. But I can tell you that letter is not what ATS is about. That's why the people "Of" ATS defend it so whole heartedly. I have no doubt every person in that building right now is feeling just as violated as the people the letter was directed at. They didn't write that letter or have any knowledge of it's exsistance. So it's hard for me to sit back and watch the past couple days and watch the ever living crap get kicked out of my friends over something ONE (Maybe more) person/s wrote, and another person STOLE.

Now Mr. Cable's, better known around ATS as Stewy. What the hell were you thinking?? I mean after all the legal training you've had, numerous years of schooling to train you to follow the law and not your personal feelings, the oath you took to do what's best for the company from a legal stand point. I mean, you are such a good LAWYER you even had Clint chitty his drawers reading that letter!!!! I suppose it was a good thing having someone other than a LAWYER read that thing before it was sent :bang. It does however suck that someone got ahold of it and posted it creating the very effect that I'm sure Clint was trying to avoid by having it sent.

I think your too good of an Attorney that you should just go back to your old job, some people my not know you by your current alias so I'll refresh their memory with something they my remember: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

You were such a stud muffin before your legal days. (If you don't sue me, I promise to forgive you for being a waaaay to legally injected HUMAN BEING.

But beyond my horrible attempt at humor, I really don't wanna take away from the seriousness of my intent with my post. I really think that the damage is done, people have their opinions and I'm not going to change that, but for heavens sake guys, lets move on already. You each have your choice to believe or not believe, buy or not buy, lets not continue on with voicing which one in an internet gangbang.

I will add a disclosure: I used extreme sarcasm, attempted humor and personal emotion in my post, please take no offense, but rather look upon with an open mind.

Thanks for you time diesel community, and have a merry CHRISTMAS!!!

Cheers,
Wade
 
:DMy god Wade what was that, Rick Roll?? Anyway, good to see you post and add your prospective. Thanks. Want to buy a truck, I have several.:evil
 
Subman631 said:
:DMy god Wade what was that, Rick Roll?? Anyway, good to see you post and add your prospective. Thanks. Want to buy a truck, I have several.:evil
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LMAO!!! Yes, that's my boy Rick :ylsuper:

And I might, PM with what you've got to get rid of and how much I can take advantage of you in the price :Cheer:
 
Dennis Perry said:
This is directed to Eric and Joel,

I have noticed you have quoted everyone on the thread but you have not commented on how nice my boat is:what:...Just in case you missed the pic I will post it up again. You have to admit it is a really cool boat:rockwoot:


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Hey Dennis, I love your boat, thanks for inviting me out on it! We were just enjoying a nice cruise around Dubai and I was shooting a lil video...when all of a sudden, http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=48336281

I didn't even know that ATS had a boat, and it's so small compared to yours...why did they ram into you like that?
 
It is impossible to please everybody.! If you are looking for bad or a reason to hate someone, it's pretty easy to come up with a list of reasons why a person or company is bad.! If you are looking for somethin good in company or people it's also pretty easy to come up with a list of good.! But it's still impossible to please everybody.!

Just my personal opinion...
 
PSDPlayer said:
1830? Thats awesome. I really enjoy seeing stuff like that. Stuff that was built when there was zero thought of 42U rack enclosures, power equipment, battery backups, patch panels, single or double gang boxes with rj45 jacks and enough Cat6 to lasso the moon. And you would appreciate this.... Windows for workgroups 3.11 died a few weeks ago as the last remaining liscense was discontinued. Its actual use was in kiosk type terminals. Extrememly stable since most new types of exploits can't run on that system. The news was posted on slashdot. I still remember loading that thing from 6 3.5" disks. But only after loading Dos 6.2.2. To think where we are now.
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Do you see the line going north out of Louisville? They paid me a dollar a foot to run that line across my farm. I tried to get them to drop in a T on it for me to tap in to for my house, but they wouldn't do it. I even offered to give them the right of way for free for it.
 
Durallymax said:
As for Joels post, I dont want to make this post to lengthy so I will leave his out. He is not a customer service guy from what I understand so his anger is forgiven.

Yes it will be time consuming, but it is necessary. Sure us guys on these forums make up probably less than 10% of your business, but the guys on these forums are the ones on magazine convers and winning events as well as pioneering new things in the diesel community.

YOu also have to remember all of us on these forums are diesel fanatics, and because of that we are the people that our buddies come to for advice on mods for their trucks. If you piss us off not only do you loose our business, but you loose any business from people we communicate with. Which can be devastating in the end.
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Very well put.I'm still a rookie at this in comparison to many on here,but a semi-pro to all my local friends.They come to me for advice on there first or next upgrade.I take knowledge from you guys and put it to use on my truck and then pass it on down the line.So while we may be a small percentage(us forum rats)we influence a large percentage of potential customers.Its not very smart to insult the group that is pushing this industry to new heigths,and yes it is us, the customer/consumer that is growing this sport,not ATS or other big companies.Without us they are non-existant.
 
UPDATE:

The boat got hijacked by pirates in Solmelia. In a brief interview with the head pirate he simpaly stated, " I want to go fast". :hehe:
 
PSDPlayer said:
This is why the GoGoDiesel server rocks only the latest editions of Freebsd, PHP, Apache, MySQL, and Vbulletin. Keep on pinging me you little chinese and korean bastards. You will never get in. Unix is user friendly...its just selective about who its friends are.
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Don't forget to wear your tinfoil hat, they can read your mind too.
 
PSDPlayer said:
1830? Thats awesome. I really enjoy seeing stuff like that. Stuff that was built when there was zero thought of 42U rack enclosures, power equipment, battery backups, patch panels, single or double gang boxes with rj45 jacks and enough Cat6 to lasso the moon. And you would appreciate this.... Windows for workgroups 3.11 died a few weeks ago as the last remaining liscense was discontinued. Its actual use was in kiosk type terminals. Extrememly stable since most new types of exploits can't run on that system. The news was posted on slashdot. I still remember loading that thing from 6 3.5" disks. But only after loading Dos 6.2.2. To think where we are now.
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Windows 3.11? LOL. I was way beyond that. OS/2 2.0 :)
 
Mike D said:
So... Does that mean you don't know who hacked into the system?
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He already said that the password was readily accessible to everyone, THAT IS NOT HACKING. You cannot prosecute someone for obtaining information from a computer if you have given access to. Just a THREAT.
This whole thing makes me sick.

Sounds like the bottom line is, ATS is looking into the future and trying to get EPA's approval in hopes of a government contract for them exclusively. If you play the game and get caught like you (ATS) did then there are big consequences that will happen.

We as consumers are not as stupid as you think we are, you can hide behind your stupid excesses and try to explain what happened in a couple of different ways. We all know and you are at fault, bottom line!

The letter was written, it had intentions it just got out to the wrong people first. If this would have went to the EPA like it was inteded to do then ATS would be looking at a nice government contract!

Then you have your IT specialist post on here and make it all the more clear. Please show me MR. IT guy how you are planning on prosecuting this person. Do not threaten, we only laugh at that. DO IT. It will never happen because no law was broken. Mr. IT guy you come on and say that you are responsible for ATS IT but yet you just showed us you are not eve qualified to run your own personal E-mail security little lone commercial networking. Never once did you say that the network was compromised, THAT MY FRIEND WOULD BE ILLEGAL.

Give us a break.

95% of the guys on this site know more about diesel technology and probably internet security that you do. :bang
 
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