Pro Street Rules

As some of you know i hope to be runnin my 12 valve in this class come next year as i really like the way the class progressed this year. I have a couple thoughts as far as rule changes

Might i suggest going to a no weights past the bumper rule as in circuit 5500? This would keep the look of the trucks but still keep the front planted

I agree with ryan and others about turbo size. If people start to really build serious 2.8 charger trucks you will likely lose some of the more entry level guys that dont have the cash to compete (myself included). We need to decide if this is really gona be a "street" truck class. If its not then maybe a third "circuit stock diesel" or something along those lines with a stock turbo rule would be something to consider for the future

Thanks, Josh
 
I totally agree your thoughts of being allowed to add weight as long as its behind the bumper (after market bumpers should be allowed) and the weight can not be added to any part of the front axle or suspension. Do this and raise the hitch to 26" and we will have a good fun class and bring in the new guys.

I know of 3 guys right off the top of my head that would jump up and start pulling if they knew they could compete in an "entry level class".

RyanB
 
I agree with the weights behind the bumper. Have pulled in this class for two years and really like the way it has progressed as well. We have a good bunch of guys. Would like to see the other rules stay the same. I think trying to introduce a third class such as a workstock class would open up alot of opportunities for guys starting out. Gives them a chance to build up their truck and still compete. I think we can do it. Hope all goes well in the years to come. Really enjoyed myself this year. Thanks guys
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Hey Ryan - why didnt you come on over and say hi

Truck did ok with a stock VE pump and only five cylinders - broke an injector

We finished third in points as of Saturday - so it was a good year

You didnt look very hard at that hitch lol - the reese sticker is still on it - but yes - it is very different from the way it came from the factory

For those that are interested - there will be a Class "rules" meeting at the end of the month - I will forward the time and place to anyone who emails me with thier contact info
 
i think having the weight behind the front bumper is an excellent idea, it gives you the advantage of the weight out front but yet the truck still looks different from what the pro-mod class does, also it would really help out the short wheel base trucks in the class, like that funky looking ford that pulls in the pro-street class, i pulled in both the pro-street and pro-mod classes, and at that time i was very competitive with my 64mm charger, i think you guys have a few bolts loose to wanna run a 2.9'' charger, give your head a shake, you guys that wanna run a charger that big are going to wreck the two classes up here in ontario, run a max 2.6'' charger, weight behind the bumper, no water, and higher hitch height, no trailer queens, and REESE STYLE hitch, that class would be sweet, if you dont that class will not grow, i have 3 buddies that want to come out next year but there not going to now because the way you guys want to have the rules. You guys are never going to get new blood in the class, all you guys that are in there now pulling with bigger chargers, and water,(AND DOING DEMO PULLS) with the pro-mod trucks should be pulling with the pro-mod trucks next year. You guys have to get things figured out for both classes and make sure when you set the rules, your going to get new blood into both classes, and for you guys that think jumping up to pro-mod is going to be more expensive and you cant afford it, well right now in pro-street its costing you more. Think about it, OH and Ken, post some pics on here under ( my pulling hitch) and let the public give there opinion on your version of a reese style hitch, it is nothing like one in my opinion, just because you have the receiver part on there. chances are if you guys mess around with the rules, and dont make it fair to everybody new wanting to pull in pro-street, and also make it so that more guys have to jump up to the pro-mod class, my truck might be for sale, since its built for the pro-mod class and only 2 guys pulling in that class right now.

Make it fair and dont wreck what we have going in ontario, there is a lot of potential, and maybe in 5 years it will kinda be like how it is on the other side of the border, (IT ROCKS DOWN THERE)
 
Guys

We have already been told by both associations there will be "NO HANGING WEIGHTS" period, so get off that bandwagon

We have also been told 24" hitch height - period

It will be a 2.8 class next year - so stop beatin that bush too as it is NOT going to be a 2.6 class

As to trailer queens -unfortunately unless you have a chipped truck that you can dial back so you can drive home, most of our trucks have to be trailered cuz the MOE and MTO would just luv to send us off to jail for pollutin on the streets never mind confiscating our trucks.

We will not be instituting a "reese hitch" style rule either - thats a joke given all of the money spent on makin an adjustable reciever - go look at the hitch thread - we have better things to do than spend 3-400 dollars makin an adjustable "reese Hitch"

Now if you really want something to deal with - tell me how to make a rule that wont allow for custom race covers, and extended tip chargers so that a 2.8 charger is exactly that - a 2.8 charger - not a reworked 3.0-4.5 beast that costs 5-6000 dollars
 
Just a quick Reminder guys,

The members of the class make the rules, not the rep ( which will have to be voted in at the meeting anyway, as our current one is still acting on Greigs backing out)), not any one person. I know several members of the exc that are on board for hanging ( moving) weight around ( a head of the front of the box that is) but give up on the 26 hitch idea, you won't get nor would you want both. Type of hitch? Build what you think works best for your truck ( as long as its not in front of the rear axle) 2.6 vs 2.8 Don't know what people are worried about a 2.6 can make almost 1000hp, thats more than enough for our tracks, especially without hanging weight (remember a stock dmax charger/ trans won the class this year) My personal opinion is that you should allow bushing etc. Everyone is talking about cost and entry level, Its a lot cheaper to buy a bigger charger and bush it done than cut wheels and mod the heck out of a bigger charger that I know you all want to run anyway! Just my opinion however. Trailer Queens? Your just not too smart showing you with a 600-1000hp 2.6/2.8/whatever(stock driveline) truck and not a have a way home, Stuff happens.
I Truly believe that this class has a great potential, lets keep it simple yet well layed out in rules and things will go smoother for sure in the years to come. Remember if you don't take the time to come to the meeting to have your voice hear, don't expect anyone to listen later.


Thanks
 
Actually Heath, I was voted in by the two members that were in the class last year , so I am not an acting anything, thanx.

The other thing you need to keep in mind - there wasnt a ProStreet class at the start of this year either, ( two trucks at Millbrook) until I started beatin the bushes , and standin on the soapbox with local pullers, ex-pullers, the promotors, and the two executives - so before anyone disses what I am doin or have done, keep in mind the job i did this year for the class, which now boasts 17 members in total and who are all very happy with how the year went for the most part- so I am told
Hell - after convincing several promotors to let us demo run, I have gained back two pulls we lost

AND - there are a couple very disgruntled promods rebuildin thier trucks to move down to prostreet for next year so good rulles need to be in place before then

Heath, as much as I like you, and your valuable imput, - if memory serves your are not a class member, so please dont be tryin to stoke anyone up unless you plan to move down to our class and run.

I am not making rules -but I have been told that we need to make better ones - and there sure isnt anyone been steppin up to the plate to do so, but there sure is a lot of talkers about what should be in the rules!!

so I have taken it upon myself as the class rep to at least draft soemthing that makes sense and is reasonably cost effective so we have a starting point for our classs meeting

I dont know who you been talkin to, but hangin weight is NOT on the table from what I have been told by both execs when I talked to them or should I say when they were putting me on the spot, for how lax our rules are (we were very close to not running a class this year more tha na few times till I put out the fires, including at Elmvale)- but then new execs will be in place shortly so who knows

I just dont see anyone bein happy with a hangin weight rule when i can hang 2700 lbs without touchin my truck in any way to remove weight or move weight around. The best most of the class would be able to hang might be 500-700 lbs without butcherin thier trucks

You are right about several things Heath - We will "vote" on a set of common rules that make sense, and that is what the class will run next year AND the ProStreet class will be one of the premier classes on the curcuit next year - even if i have to run for a spot on the executive(s) as well as being class rep
 
I say hang the weight out front. Leave the hitch's alone and you will have a *****in class for next year!
 
Guys- here is the problem and everyone knows it so I may as well come out and say it. There will only ever be 2 diesel classes in Ontario, Pro-Mod as far as I see it if things keep going the way it is will be done by next year (as much as I don't want to see this happen). If pro-mod ever does "die" there will from then on ONLYever be one diesel class...period.

I have a few opinion on why this is happening is because with the exception of one or two guys...99% of the guys pulling in both classes are in there early 30's or younger. We all are either just married and starting to get our lives pointed in the right direction, have started a bussiness in the past few years and trying to get the ball rolling our are young, want to have fun and don't have the cash for all the toys all at once because we are still making payments on the truck we bought!!!!!! Face the facts...the odds arn't for us to have a very conistent class of trucks. If you look at the other classes (gassers and tractors) It is safe for me to assume that the 99% of guys are 40 or older, have there familys and bussinesses at the point where they can now play with toys and have them "now" or they are single...and money to spare!!! That is just my first reason!

Alot think that you have to spend the big bucks to compete up here in both classes...trust me, its not the case as much as others may try to argue with me. If Marc and I would have got our truck done this year instead of almost killing each other it would have come out on the track at a price just shy of 17,000 (total frame off build with a motor built for what the limit we could put down on our tracks up here and be consistant) (750hp with a single) and I honestly think it would have gave Randy a run for his money all season because factor up here that limits traction comes right down to HP and revs and I am sure Heath can back me up on that.

Personally, I think the meetings comming up should have both classes and together as a group we work out where this is going to go. Ken, Im not sure what your scared of dropping down to a 2.6" class for "Pro-Street" which is just that as the name describes...trucks that run on the street (legally) and can come in dowing there pro-mod truck if one wants to pull with there towing truck.

What we need up here in Ontario is 10+ trucks in each class and the only way that is going to happen is cut back the pro-street class to a point where just about anyone can come and pull with there DD, have fun and most of all...have there familys cheering them on from the stands.

Then let everyone else (say most currently running in pro-street) pull in pro-mod with hanging weights and the higher hitch and watch even the black lower powered 12valve that pulled in elmvale be right up there with Randy!!! I have been wanting to see that very truck run in pro-mod...Marc and I almost did it this year....because that is the very truck that is going to be conistent and put on a great show week after week.

We all have to remember...this isn't just for our selves...but the guys sitting in the stand next year that wants to pull in pro-street untill he sees the bullsh!t rules and says NO FU$KING WAY!!!!! (I put the $ is there because that is all he will be seeing when he sees those rules!!!)

Again, thats just my opinion and am not even currently pulling...But I am trying to get out for one of these classes next year if things can change...if not I might get back into the gassers in a little mini-rod or a superstock like I was building before I started my last truck!

RyanB
 
Guys

Ken- I am glad that you are elected, sorry I was not aware of that (don't remember that taking place at the Prostreet meeting) Second, I appreciate your work on behalf of the class, but lets not take to much credit for all these guys showing up, At Millbrook, most of the pullers didn't even know who you were, and that's where this class really took off. ( only that you were very interested in finding out where they got there parts and trying to convince them you could get them better prices on parts ) I agree that you have greatly helped this class( when you could make it to pulls) but lets just remember who was around when when you were not, who put up with all the garbage from a certain group of pullers that nearly ran every one out of this class, and who was around when the original rules were conceived and shared the vision of where this class was headed. So yes I will still involved in this class as will my customers for many years to come whether you like it or not. As far as the rules go, Lots of people have lots of ideas, I have several drafts already in place my self, modeled after 2.6 and 2.8 rules from down south, I have everyone's charger orders on hold till this meeting gets done because yes I have about 6 guys in this class that really want to run hard next year. I just need some well laid out rules to build these motors to.

Ryan, Promod is not dead nor will it die next year, if the people who keep saying they are going to get a truck out will just get it done ( not everything has to be huge, I wish I had just left my truck in the garage for another year) we could have as many as 7 trucks in this class ( boy does that ever sound like an echo from years past) What I am getting tired of is having to get up in front of a group of promoters every year and tell them we have a viable class with X number of trucks in it, Only to be made a fool of when pull time comes around and no one shows up, ( broke, down for mods( I include my self here),no money, sold, doesn't want to drive that far, etc) I really think I should just get up there and tell them we are demo only, Pick where we would like to go and build the class for another 2-3 years and then come back sanctioned.
I really have issues pulling my own truck in any class, this is what I do for a living,I take no points or money for my efforts but Yes it has to work and work well, but I am not looking to compete against my own customers, that's not fair in my books.
I know what dealing with brothers is all about, I put up with it for the last 3 years trying to make this class go, I get my truck done, and he quits!
I don't know what to do, I know Randy is discouraged, I would be to if I showed up to every pull in the year and no one else did. Your right we are all around 30 and things are just getting going, yet we are playing like we are retired.

Prostreet has issues of old school pullers meeting new idea guys and that's been a problem since the class began. What everyone has to understand, is we have to mix both of these schools of thought together and come out with something that works for everyone. ( that sounds easy right?)

Thanks
Heath
 
Thanx Ryan

You nailed it pretty much - it is about keeping the class sane and affordable and you are exactly right about the age thing and when i started 16 years ago, I was at that 30 sumthin with kids n no money, so I know exactly what you mean as Super Stock is not a cheap class either

I am not afraid of 2.6 - if this was two years ago i would be all for it as like most in the class, I was runnin a 2.6 charger as well (still have it actually and could switch in a few minutes)

I am aiming to keep the cost down for the guys already committed to the class as most have already bought and are running much larger turbos than 2.6 - so why should we have to spend another 2-3000 on a new charger for next year? $$$$$$$

It is also why I think that allowin a larger charger with custom race covers or bushings to get down to either 2.6 or 2.8 would be a mistake $$$$$$$$$$$$

I also beleive that a stock driveline wont handle the power we can make even with a 2.6 if hangin weights, and/or higher hitches are allowed (is also the fear of the executives) again big dollars$$$$$$$

As to dailey drivers in the class - well we are already wayyy beyond that now - look what Spiro (class winner both Central and GL) has to go through at every pull just to get his truck ready, never mind that the fuel we non chipped trucks need would be a do not pass go, do not collect $200 deal with the OPP the MTO, and the MOE police - and as I said one member already got the warning.

As to cost - last winter I set out to prove anyone can build a decent truck for under $10,000 if you want to (requires ability to do all of the work yourself) - and i would say we succeeded as we have less than $20k tied up in hauler ($1500), trailer ($4500)and pull truck ($5700 this year and $4300 last year), and with the new IP I just bought to replace the one I broke at the second pull this year (ran a stock pump most of this year) I have no doubt where my truck will run next year wether it be 2.6 or 2.8

Will there be a Promod class next year - I am very doubtful, as the promotors arent too happy, nor are the pullers in the class, from discussions i listened to or partook in this year. Two trucks in not a class and they are about to lose one for sure to Pro Street

Yes -I think one good reinvented class would be good for the spectators, the promotors and best of all the pullers

Ryan there is already a class where the DD's can run - its called local
 
Heath give me a call 705 652 1175

If you have all this stuff ready you should have said so a month ago

I would love to have help in this class and meeting thing

I am glad to see there are different opinions on what I did at Millbrook and from there forward - even if slightly differently - as we all see things differently, but at the end of the day it worked, no matter who helped or didnt help

I am and will be dedicated to this class so long as my son in law wished to pull - so old skool and new skool ARE workin together..

Lets git r done so we ca nall have fun
 
Ken i dont know how you can say its way beyond daily drivers? the two dmaxs at the top of the class are both daily driven trucks without changing tunes. Just got to keep your foot out of it.
 
Good to see that we are all trying to work this out and try to make it work!

Heath- Im not comming out and saying Pro-Mod is a gonner...in fact I hope the exact opposite. I think eventualy both classes will be huge up here but I think in order to get there we all will have to make some sacrifices to get it there. If we could get pro-mod to ease up on the twins things and limit it with a bushed 3" charger I think the guys in pro-street now wouldn't be as scared to jump up. Keep everything thing else the same including unlimited drive train (Ken...you just said it your self that you think its stock isnt enough for a done up 2.6 class) and guys also have to realize that just because you have big axles and a drop box doesn't mean sh$t when it comes to HP. The only two things its doing is making your drive train bullet proof and giving you a better selection of gear ratio's. (Heck, my brother just picked up a F106 for $500 and it could run the way it is other than he wants to have 8 bolt hubs!) Good luck sourcing even a D80 for that price up here!

The only way this is going to happen though is go with pro-street with a 2.6 and get the rules back to how it was just 2 years ago when someone could come in and have a hook or 2 per season without loops. That is going to grow the class and get more local guys hooked into the sanctioned classes then ever before. I know 3 guys and possibly 4 that would be our next season if this was the case.

Ken- you also said there already is a class where DD's could run...right now thats in Pro-Mod, pro-street and local...If you arn't into the go pedal you won't have any problems. My old truck was probably the 2nd most powerfull truck out there (heaths being first) and I ran mine on the street when I had the weight box off and it was fine other than the revs hunting hard in the first 3 gears but it was very much streetable if I wanted it to be! so don't come out saying its not possible.

Heath/Ken, once you find out when the meetings are let me know as I will pass the word to others that are intrested in pulling next year (heath, even Ron says he would pull anything within an hour if he could compete with his current setup or up to a 66mm anyway)

As far as me not having a truck right now, it will come. this past year I spent 600K on a house/property and have had a tuff time in the cabinet shop (self employed) because of the economy but I am starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel which means that something could still happen for next year...no promises but if something doesn't happen with a new truck I will be trying to hook up my DD if I think its at all worth it for me to try in the class, as we speak its not...but hopefully it could be!

Ryan
 
Ryan - you need to realize that no matter what some of you may wish the rules to be - the executives of the two associtions here in Ontario have the last say - - - - and Unfortunately for you and any others thinkin DD in Pro Street - the executives of both associtions killed that idea two years ago with new safety rules, and are not about to change their minds about thier decisions

You now have to have hoops and a blanket even in the "local" class if you wish to run more than a chip or 33" tires or any kinda chassis lift or traction bars - thats been in the rules for both associations for two years now

In pro Street as of two years ago, you will have all safety equipment as listed and you will run a stack to seperate you from the DD's or you wont run in the class - never mind what size turbo etc that is currently up for debate or vote by the class.

And remember again, that the executive can and will vetoe anything we as a class have voted on if they beleive it isnt in the best interest of the club or the class.

And let me tell you - the executives have been very vocal all year in what they will allow or not allow for next year for rule changes in our class.

The only reason we got away with any infractions of rules, or the perception of lack of rules this year is because i personally convinced both executives on more than a few occassions that I need to convince pullers to come out to pull so we could save the class from extinction, and that "rules" would be in place next year that would keep the executives happy.

Dont you or anyone else kid yourselves - the Pro Street class was next to closed out by the executives more than a few times this year because of percieved "issues"

Next season you will also have fuel and air shutoffs - thats been in the general rules for years - and was why at Elmvale ( as well as other pulls this year ) that it took me an hour to convince the track official to let the other three pullers besides me n Spiro who are the only trucks to have those items, to even run the class at Elmvale

You as well as any other maybe's for the class next year , need to understand that the executives have already stated we may not make any rules that will take the class backwards in time so wishin for rules from two years ago is not gonna happen, and keep in mind that because of safety issues, that the executives are of the opinion that DD's are history except in the local class - so no amount of wishin or *****en about rules is gonna change that - nor is it something we as a class can or will be allowed, by the executives, to change

You and your friends that you state wish to come out for next year, need to decide what you wish to run in - in a sanctioned class meaning Pro Street or Pro Mod - or a street class which is, and always will be, from last year on, and forward into the future - is and will be the "local" class

Time marches on , and according to the Association Executives in both Central and Great Lakes, the day of a dual purpose truck is gone, so if you wish to run a modified truck in anything but a sanctioned class you need to decide if you can accept the the association imposed rules, as well as the class voted on, and subsequently association approved rules, as well as the assocciated costs of those rules.
 
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Curtis - I am hoping for the last weekend in October - just need to check on a few things first - then I will email or phone everyone i have info for to confrim which is everyone who ran this year

anyone else wants to be included needs to email me at ckr5610@hotmail.com
 
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Jupton

Do you really think Farmer Daves or Spiros truck is streetable without spendin about an hour to change things out (suspension, blocks, tune ) so they can drive home or to the track - each and every pull - thats not dailey drivin

Like I said before - only computerized trucks in this class can even think about drivin on the street around here without wonderin when they will be fined or lose thier truck over purposefully removing or disabling "emmissions equipment" or exceeding acceptable levels of "smoke" on the street at the level of tune we are tryin to run, and with many steppin it up next year i doubt even Spiro or Dave will be able to be DD, especially given that Dave is already trailerin his truck

One warning from the police about smoke and tires was enough for me to know we are not any longer streetable
 
Hey Ken
After our chat today I got a hold of the Past president of COTPA and chatted about these rules we were discussing this morning, Guess what He had the same rules copied out already! If we can get him on board I am sure we can see the Pres on this as well, GLTTPA maybe another battle, but thats just normal for them.
Bottom Line, we may just have a chance of getting this thing done with a 2.8 and really close on the Restricted weight out front. Lets not give up hope yet.


Thanks

Heath
 
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