Who's the best at Cylinder head porting

Not so much... exhaust D-ports are fine for the street due to off-boost operation, so gasket-matching gains are insignificant.
DIY kits likely don't have the special tools needed to access a CTD head - particularly the 24Vs.
Besides, abrasives are easy but time-consuming... we use carbides for rough-out & surfacing, and save the grit for polishing.















I think it is Raymac that does his porting. I have seen their work and it is first rate.

:umno: If you only knew...

If it's just a polish how do they match the flow on a flow bench? In my understanding the polish is not nearly as important as the port because of the boundary layer of air. True the polish will help but the difference in smooth and smooth as glass is negligable.

Surface texture impacts boundary layer effectiveness - hence a golf ball's dimples.
The CTD's dry-flow intake lessens the impact, unless you factor in water/meth injection.





Some of the perceived "excessive" pricing for head work is due to the difficulty of machining heat-treated cast iron... race porting a 24V head with carbides burns up a couple die grinders, 25 hours of shop time (40 hours real time) and both hands. :banghead:

Polishing is largely unnecessary due to the thermal barrier coatings' self-leveling surface finish.
 
I understand that the surface texture has an effect but I'm just wondering how much you actually pick up from being smooth to the touch and polished like a mirror. Is it enough to justify the time and money if you aren't looking for every single last inch?
 
i 2 have a spare head


probably going to end up as more of a polish then anything

portmatch probably as well... it can't hurt to get rid of the lip, even on a street motor.
 
i talked to ZZ Fab yesterday and this is the pricing i got from them on a CR head.

P&P $1500
Big Valves $550 to $600
New seats & decking head $495
machine intake off $250
Side entry intake $1300
Factory Sytle inake $975

Haisely Machine

P&P $1500
Waiting on phone call back for the rest of the pricing for head work.
 
portmatch probably as well... it can't hurt to get rid of the lip, even on a street motor.

It can hurt more than you think. Not sure if the 12v head is the same way, but if you open up the exhaust on the 24v a little more than you should you are right into the water jacket.
 
i talked to ZZ Fab yesterday and this is the pricing i got from them on a CR head.

P&P $1500
Big Valves $550 to $600
New seats & decking head $495
machine intake off $250
Side entry intake $1300
Factory Sytle inake $975

Haisely Machine

P&P $1500
Waiting on phone call back for the rest of the pricing for head work.

Does the ZZ P&P include flowbench time or is that just the labor to do the work to the head?
 
it's really about the old saying ,you pay for what you get .

there are a lot of misconceptions about head porting on diesels , its hardened iron that has, unless it’s a new head casting , been heat cycle hardened. It wears out a little over a hundred dollars worth of carbides, and fifty dollars worth of abrasive rolls to polish it all .

The average ported head has 40+ hours worth of times with a grinder , not counting the machine work and valve job. And the amount of material removed is over 10 lbs, not counting the intake that is sawed off.


Extrude hone only goes to abrade the path of least resistant’s , and most of the time will remove the areas that produce very little gains, in a boosted engine , and some times hurting the flow numbers .

The finished results will make you feel really good , and look like a smooth work of art , but when it comes to doing it right , porting is just hard gritty work with a grinder.

As far as a gas heads costing less , you can buy a set of Big block Chevy Profiler heads, now in Summit or Jegs that would embarrass Pro Stock teams of ten years ago , and they are almost as cast. These killer heads cost about 10 cents of the dollar of what they would have cost 10 years ago. . The reason is, they sell hundreds of thousands of big block Chevy heads each years

The diesel market is still painfully small in the big picture. Hence places like Profiler, Indy cylinder head , Dart , and Brodix come out with a hundred or so ,new heads , including cast irons each years , but to date not one diesel head is in the works with the exception of possibly a Dmax head .
Some day possibly , but not today. The Dmax head has a chance because the marine industry and the main stream Hot Rodder is looking hard at the Dmax as a viable engine in cars and boats.

To anyone that offers a cheap port job, that exactly what you will get .
 
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im thinking greg said that was bench time also.

Greg Spends a lot of time on the flow bench, I use that same bench as well, and its usualy tied up by him.

most people don't really know how much flow is in just valve angles, and how much time on the bench it take to acheave that flow
 
oh greg :hehe: there are some dodge heads in the works! I'm suprised you oh HOLY one haven't heard of the PROGRAM that has been started!

DIESEL PROS is also doing P&P and will now be available to the public

I'll put our P&P up against ZZ any day of the week over pricing,function,quality
 
im wondering what kinda of gains you can get with the works done to a head. I know when i raced quads that where i went to for most of my power gains, im wondering if its the same on a diesel. Im wondering how much of a difference it would make on a Cr thats around the 600 hp mark. ZZ fab said for them to do the work i could tie up 5g alone with them in head work.
 
Not sure what gains it will get me but I ported and polished my own head. I've been working on it for the last two weeks, I have 150 in cutting bits and another 50 in abrasive rolls. I have atleast 40 hours in doing it maybe more but I am pretty happy with how it came out. I am sure that 1500 is worth it for a p&p to have some one who knows what they are doing cutting on your head, but money is tight with me so I tried it out. The results are in my avatar.
 
im wondering what kinda of gains you can get with the works done to a head. I know when i raced quads that where i went to for most of my power gains, im wondering if its the same on a diesel. Im wondering how much of a difference it would make on a Cr thats around the 600 hp mark. ZZ fab said for them to do the work i could tie up 5g alone with them in head work.


Before you get your hopes too high, remember that your diesel engine is turbo charged.

Here's a simple test that will clearly illustrate the difference. Go to 7-Eleven, buy a large coke. After consuming 44 oz, pull out the straw and put it in your mouth. Take a deep breath and blow out through the straw, it takes a while but it still goes pretty fast. Now try to inhale through that same straw, it takes forever to get a full breath of air.

Same principle applies to naturally aspirated vs turbo charged.
 
Guess I'm gonna have to start a thread now about your blowing and sucking skills................it never ends :hehe:
 
Before you get your hopes too high, remember that your diesel engine is turbo charged.

Here's a simple test that will clearly illustrate the difference. Go to 7-Eleven, buy a large coke. After consuming 44 oz, pull out the straw and put it in your mouth. Take a deep breath and blow out through the straw, it takes a while but it still goes pretty fast. Now try to inhale through that same straw, it takes forever to get a full breath of air.

Same principle applies to naturally aspirated vs turbo charged.


Professor.... Why do we have to drink the 44oz. of Coke? Is a 7-eleven straw the only one acceptable to use for the test, or could I just use a straw from say.... Burger King? I'm lost. LOL
 
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