Also it is funny that F-1 raised the spring pressure slighty, what that really means is the newly redesigned 4.6l spring has higher pressure thefore don's springs now have higher pressure. All along Don has been saying no more pressure than his design was needed, now he is crawfishing and going up. It is funny how he changes. And by the way don, I have never seen you attack the PDR spring, it is just over 140# at the seat and they have sold thousands of sets with no issues. What gives? Did you just want to pick on someone that would call you on your bull$hit? Well I'm seeing and raising it on you. I haven't bothered getting prices on the Crower springs, how cheap can you go? And by the way, I got some of your old designs in after they had 50,000 miles they Had 65lbs at the seat. Doesn't that bother you a little bit?