Air to water inercooler question...

So 1 person says no, everyone else says yes. Are you convinced now Tyrel. You especially in the 2.6 class with no water being sprayed should run one for sure.
 
I have seen more than one person say the samething about the water-air intercoolers not being worth it. They will make a little more HP, guess it is one of those things, I would probably spend the money on porting or a little bit better turbo.
 
Tyerl told us so!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!! CUZ HE HAS DONE IT OR KNOWS?? :poke: :poke::what:
 
We will se this weekend on the dyno. At least some one will test out nwe products on the dyno to see if they help. we are not all chickens :poke:
 
zstroken said:
I have seen more than one person say the samething about the water-air intercoolers not being worth it. They will make a little more HP, guess it is one of those things, I would probably spend the money on porting or a little bit better turbo.
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Well hes got a brand new turbo and set up this year. Cant spray water in his class. So with everything done you wouldnt run one Dan?? I have a feeling you would. And you have had people say they dont work. Well yes, some set ups they wont work. When you have 12 nozzles of water before the intake, and a nozzle for each cylinder. No you dont need one probably. So when he said they used one and it didnt work I believe him. But Im sure he had plenty of water so he didnt need one. Am I correct??
 
2Tone12V said:
You guys spray water?? Im guessing you do. So for the guys that cant spray water, water/air is useless your saying??:umno: I run 2 of them and know many big trucks that do as well and say it made a huge difference. Every set up is different. Im not going to spray water so water/air is a must.
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We dont spray water...Im not saying it was useless for everyone...But multiple dyno runs at scheid showed it was useless for us.
 
Look at Danes homo a$$ singleing me out when im not the only that is yelling PROVE IT!

I will not run one, see how danes does even if he gains 100hp i will not do it, the next thing that i am spending money on is head work.

This is like the third post where dane has made a homo comment!
 
I have ran an air to air and air to water. The set ups where a little different so I can say what the hp gain was but I can tell you that the intake temps where as follows.

Air to Air=550 deg to 600 before cooler and 250 to 300 after.

Air to wate= 325 deg to 350 before cooler and 50 to 75 after.

The boost picked up a little. With an air to water, head porting and custom intake we picked up almost 150 hp on the engine dyno. 2.8 truck!
 
2Tone12V said:
Well hes got a brand new turbo and set up this year. Cant spray water in his class. So with everything done you wouldnt run one Dan?? I have a feeling you would. And you have had people say they dont work. Well yes, some set ups they wont work. When you have 12 nozzles of water before the intake, and a nozzle for each cylinder. No you dont need one probably. So when he said they used one and it didnt work I believe him. But Im sure he had plenty of water so he didnt need one. Am I correct??
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If everything else was done I would seriously consider it or if I could find a dirt cheap water setup. Just some organizations don't allow it, some do, etc, etc.
If you have the baddest charger out there then I probably would, but I think it would be better to throw the money to the porting or a better charger.
Probably all said and done you will have $800 or more in a good air to water setup. I haven't priced them lately though, so it might be a little cheaper.
 
silver03 said:
I have ran an air to air and air to water. The set ups where a little different so I can say what the hp gain was but I can tell you that the intake temps where as follows.

Air to Air=550 deg to 600 before cooler and 250 to 300 after.

Air to wate= 325 deg to 350 before cooler and 50 to 75 after.

The boost picked up a little. With an air to water, head porting and custom intake we picked up almost 150 hp on the engine dyno. 2.8 truck!
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So 300 drop on the air to air and 275 on the air to water.

Why do you think the before cooler temps were so different??
 
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Here is what we are using.
 
I am no expert. But it is a little bit of a science as far as a/w cooler size, core size and piping diameter. I know they work or tractor pullers wouldn't be running the them. It is something that proably should be last like some of you said. A grade A cooler will cost you though. A 2 core all aluminum is around $1800. And a single core copper one is around $3000. I know of 2 duramax's that are running them this year. Ones runnin a aluminum one and the other a copper one.
 
smokinbillygoat said:
We ran an air to water intercooler all year last year.... and scheid dynod it with it this winter when they had are truck...There was no difference hardly at all between it and the spearco intercooler. The ice melted instantly just about so it didnt stay cold long enough to make a difference for us. Just alot of trouble at the track trying to keep ice.
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Did they do any intake temperature measuring or logging? Did you ask?

If the IAT temps were about the same, you'd expect to see very little difference.

However with the W/A unit correctly sized set up right you should be seeing IATs at 75F or less. I'd find it hard or impossible to imagine this not showing a HP gain versus a typical A/A unit with 200F IATs.

BTW, glycol solutions significantly reduce the heat transfer properties of water. I would not use it unless you really think you can freeze up the loop (or using a cooling source well below freezing, like dry ice).
 
Distributor said:
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Here is what we are using.
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That is a nice set up. Theo only problem I see with that is the ice will be in the water witch I would think would melt it a lot faster. Rather than if you had a grate 4 inches off the bottom so once the water passed throu the ice it wasent sitting in the water. Just a tought correct me if I'm wrong
 
zstroken said:
So 300 drop on the air to air and 275 on the air to water.

Why do you think the before cooler temps were so different??
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With the Air to water we changed the pipe from 3 to 3-1/2. On the stock air to air the air hits a wall on the way in and on the way out and all so goes to a square to get in between the core support creating allot of heat. The air to air was designed for 200 hp power, driving 55 mph, and 20 lbs of boost.
 
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