Letter to EPA from ATS

prolly best...

so how long till ALL modules, programmers, injectors, turbos...etc...etc will require a CARB E.O. Number???

good think my truck is licensed in a DEQ exempt area
 
I'd like to see a copy of the signed original letter, if true I can't believe that ATS wouldn't know it would come back and bite them. Time to get a can of paint and go to work on my tranny.
 
If this is true (which it may be and it may not be), then ATS just basically put themselves out of business. I mean its not like us not buying from them will shut them down but it will eventually hurt them. If it is true then they deserve any reprocussions they get because that was a piss poor business decision.

Ill bet the Suncoast phone is ringing a little more today

JMO but I dont see myself buying anything off them if it turns out to be 100% true.

Rob
 
I predict ATS won't respond on the forums at all about this. Kinda like how Banks doesn't really care what anybody on the forums thinks because it's a VERY small percentage of their business. I figure it's probably the same for ATS. Joe-Blow on the street will still be non-the-wiser.
 
Thats a pretty crappy way to do business. As nasty as the AirDog Fass junk gets I wouldnt conduct business in that manner. Pretty low. But anyone with AirDog Fass comparison questions give me a pm haha! Just kiddin!
 
According to one of the mods from DP, (he posted on another forum) ATS has contacted the DP mods trying to have the thread deleted on that site.
 
According to one of the mods from DP, (he posted on another forum) ATS has contacted the DP mods trying to have the thread deleted on that site.

As apposed to saying it's not true in the thread?

If the delete is the case, then I feel that is a step closer to guilty.
 
Hello Everyone. This is Bryan @ ATS Diesel and Clint has prepared a statement and has asked me to post EXACTLY this on his behalf:


After reading the forums for the last several years, and being in the business for more than fifteen, I thought I had seen it all. However, the level of hate in this last series of forum posts is unbelievable.

At SEMA this year, my attorney Stewart Cables and I attended numerous seminars regarding the new CARB and EPA regulations for our industry. At SEMA, ATS (among others) spoke with the EPA about potential ways to relax the stringent guidelines the EPA enforces on the diesel community, and how we could lessen its impact through legislation. In the meantime, Stewart drafted a letter (the one you see on the forums) and sent it to me on my email. When he sent me the draft, I was totally surprised. I told him he was absolutely not allowed to send it to the EPA or anyone else for that matter. I did not think he would identify specific people or companies, and ATS has never been the type of company to participate in negative tactics like this. He agreed. The letter posted on the forums right now is the only draft in existence.

When I told him no, as his client, that was the end of that. But now, thanks to whoever posted this information, this information is completely public and everyone in the whole diesel community knows about it. Now, the EPA knows information I would never, ever allow to be posted on the internet. Thanks to this letter, to that secret person, the EPA has a very good idea of EVERYONE who has purchased a DPF delete kit, and they can see how many of these delete kits are out there on the road.

Before this hit the forums, Jared sent me a text saying “Thanks for the letter to the EPA.” I had no idea what he was talking about since Stewart’s letter was never released. At first, I thought he was joking. I asked, pleaded with him to forward me the email or send me the source so I could figure out what he was talking about. He refused. Why? Why would he refuse to let me know where he got the email, if I truly sent the letter? I know that a lot of you will call Jared to see if this is true, which is great. It seems that everyone knew about this letter before myself and ATS.

On this letter, that supposedly went to the EPA, where is my signature? Where is Stewart’s signature? Where is the ATS letterhead we use for every letter that goes out the door? Where is the envelope? How could someone say ATS sent a letter to the EPA without intercepting it in the mail?

The only two people in the world to have ever seen this letter, before December, were myself and my attorney. Yet here it is, all over the internet for everyone to see and rip on ATS as rats and liars. That’s bs. ATS is aggressively pursuing the individuals involved with illegally accessing my private and confidential emails. My name has been drug through the mud and I will not tolerate the public posting of my private attorney emails. ATS will find out who accessed its private files and we will pursue every legal option available when we do.

I have received evidence that an unauthorized source has accessed my personal e-mail. This is unfortunately not the first time that strictly confidential internal information from my e-mail was accessed and used in a negative way towards ATS, but for the first time I now have proof as to who gained access to the server. I am very upset about this and concerned for all in the industry including ATS, as we all are in this niche industry together.

Please see ATS’ formal stance here: http://www.atsdiesel.com/ats_new/resp/response.asp
 
As apposed to saying it's not true in the thread?

If the delete is the case, then I feel that is a step closer to guilty.

Jason, if your referring to my earlier post, all I asked for was proof. I didn't say it was true or not, insinuating that I wasn't passing judgment until more information was available. Plain and simple.
I'm sure it's egg on their face, and I agree, asking to have it deleted doesn't make it look good for them. But I'd still like to hear more info and a rebuttal from ATS, hell, from Clint himself would be even better. But I'm not holding my breath.

***edit**
Looks like someone else was busy typing while I was.:bang
 
WOW. OK, I'll be among the first to say "cool cool, ATS is still "ok"

However, You need to get a better IT staff :)
 
hmm open, closed, open again.....

I dont think it was an IT problem....more of an accountability problem
 
hmm open, closed, open again.....

I dont think it was an IT problem....more of an accountability problem

Not an IT problem? The way I read that, 2 parties were only aware of such "letter". So, we got the Bryan and the Attorney... If the Bryan didn't let it leak, then the Attorney did. but if the Attorney didn't, and "someone accessed their server" like stated in the response.... Then it's an IT issues.

Unless this IT problem is just a cover up to said accountability, is that what you are saying by not saying? (Let the conspiracy theorist run ramped with that one!!)
 
i think i am going to call BS.

QUESTION 1- wheather you sent this letter to the EPA or not, what where you thinking talking to authorites, AKA your lawyer about what other companies were doing or how they were doing it? only one way your attourney new about pdi and such is because that came out of your mouth. no other way your attourny would have said that.

QUESTION 2- if this letter was not sent to the EPA because you would not allow it to, was another letter sent that was written differently ?
 
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hmmmm very interesting.... better have some good back up plans.. seems how they admitted this leter was a fact, IMO that means this letter was going to be sent out anyways... saying someone stole it??? sounds a lil fishy...

Just admitting this leter was true would keep me from purchasing anything ATS makes...
 
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