No more stack vibrating...

Forrest Nearing said:
most certainly not worth $115 to me... maybe if my grandmother was wanting to trick out her china cabinet or something...
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Oh so funny. You and others don't get it and probably never will. If that insert were to be made in the thousands.... it might cost $50 or less ??? The fact it's NOT made and had to be custom designed, purchasing one would have cost $300 probably. To get my own cost down... I purchased 10. There's 2 left so apparently other could see where the cost came from.

If the Staxx clamp was produced in the thousand.... it'd be the same thing.

There's no exorbitant costs involved nor is anyone trying to rape people with their product ( the one's in question anyway ) yet everyone thinks the prices are ridiculous.

The cost of our trucks is ridiculous but, you bought one of those ???? Fuel was ridiculous at $4 a gal but, did you go out and buy a bio kit to make your own ?? the examples could go on and on but, why bother.
 
01smoker said:
Hey TJ what kind of clamp did you have on before that vibrated so much? Just wondering cuz im fixin to put a single stack in my truck.
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Check my post 01 (pics).....Those I bought from Freightliner...I think Peterbuilt are the same but sure.My stacks are still vegging out in my basement..:doh:
 
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Ty,

do you have some type of financial interest in STAXX clamps or something, you are getting on this hardcore.
 
I get it... I understand volume unit cost and supply and demand... that's why you'll never see me arguing that "you can get a pair of V8 gasser aluminum heads for $1000, so an aluminum head for our trucks should only cost $500!"

MY thing is that the "Staxx" clamp wasn't the first billet aluminum exhaust clamp... you don't think that in the entire realm of hot rodding that two seperate people could come up with the same idea? :confused:

it's not some ground breaking design... if they were the first to market, they should be able to reduce the cost... maybe by not wasting the time to carve that tacky name in them? :confused:

it's not like there was years of clandestine R&D that went into the design like reprogramming an ECM... it would take a good CAD guy about 10 minutes to draw that thing.

what do you think about the multiple companies that offer exhaust systems for our trucks? who was the first one to market with a system? shouldn't everyone else that offers them cease immediately because they're copying the grand originator? :rolleyes:

I'm not arguing unit cost... there's no argument there... I'm arguing against your implication that the staxx clamp is some unique/revolutionary design that shouldn't be "copied"

triton said:
Oh so funny. You and others don't get it and probably never will. If that insert were to be made in the thousands.... it might cost $50 or less ??? The fact it's NOT made and had to be custom designed, purchasing one would have cost $300 probably. To get my own cost down... I purchased 10. There's 2 left so apparently other could see where the cost came from.

If the Staxx clamp was produced in the thousand.... it'd be the same thing.

There's no exorbitant costs involved nor is anyone trying to rape people with their product ( the one's in question anyway ) yet everyone thinks the prices are ridiculous.

The cost of our trucks is ridiculous but, you bought one of those ???? Fuel was ridiculous at $4 a gal but, did you go out and buy a bio kit to make your own ?? the examples could go on and on but, why bother.
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Abrannan19 said:
Ty,

do you have some type of financial interest in STAXX clamps or something, you are getting on this hardcore.
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none at all. As a business owner though I understand what's behind design and producing a product. Overhead can be overwelming but, the consumer doesn't realize nor undertstand what can be involved to get a product out. Everyone wants something for nothing for some reason and don't think far enough into why something costs what it does. They just want the cheapest route possible.

Forrest.... you show me any other clamp that remotely resembles the Staxx's. There was a serious problem with stack clamp design in that the vibration would wallow out the hole from a sheet metal screw put into the bed. The guy saw a need for a better design and made it. He didn't go into making them to become rich. Once they were shown... the demand was overwelming so he started to make a few. He did this after hours from his day job.

Everyone wants to defend making something themselves and do nothing but, biotch about what someone might be making for a design of their own.

How bout the Smarty.... a $10 circuit board with some programming. Is it really worth $600 ??? the MP-8... a box with probably a $2 circuit board and yet 100's of people paid almost $400 for one . They're worth it for one because most can't do it themselves and for another, it would cost a individual 10's of 1000's of dollar to produce them on their own.

Forrest.... I never said anything about a revolutionary design. It was IMO the first to have a quality mount along with stylish design. I also didn't say it shouldn't be copied. If you read what I posted then you'd know where I'm coming from.

It seem what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander here.
 
well, I certainly can't imagine why anyone would use sheetmetal screws to mount a stack... I always just used standard horseshoe clamps. I'm a form follows function guy, so I never saw the need for a $50 chrome stack bracet when a $5 clamp would work.

I wouldn't buy a $50 billet clamp, certainly not a $200 billet clamp.

but whatever... if you want the original, buy the staxx mount... if you don't mind people judging you for ripping off someone's design when really you just used your common sense and your brain, build your own

the difference between the Smarty or even an MP-8 is they'd cost 10's of thousands in R&D/etc. to replicate... a billet clamp can be drawn up by 10s of thousands of CAD guys in about 10 minutes.

we'll agree to disagree on what we're arguing about :p
 
I just paid $1300 for a set of axle shafts, because its not something i can make on my own.

I didn't pay $250 for a clamp because i made it cheaper on my own and it doesn't have a stupid logo on it and im a cheap ass.

I showed the guy who made my clamp this thread and he laughed. He wants to know how a clamp can be made different than this one that is still simple and functional without being a copy cat? He also told me he would machine out a sweet looking billet aluminum tissue dispenser if anyone needs one.
 
Forrest Nearing said:
a billet clamp can be drawn up by 10s of thousands of CAD guys in about 10 minutes.
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it took me 15 minutes, that included finding a tape measure and walking outside to measure the distance between my stack and the bed rail so i could make the depth of the clamp correct.

there was 5,000 hours of R&D involved in making it tho, deciding what material to use, how thick to make it, what grade fasteners to use, how much to chamfer those edges so it doesn't scratch the stack during installation, and to make it easier to fit around due to the tolerance being so tight.

PS- mine is different, mine uses stainless steel thread inserts that were threaded into the aluminum with epoxy to prevent any corrosion between the stainless bolt and the aluminum clamp.
 
how is it attatched to the bed? those bolts cant go thru the clamp and then all the way thru the bed too. im gonna tig a L brkt to my band clamp base and the thru bolt it thru the front top rail of the bed.itll probly go over the top of the rail and the bolts will go thru from the insideto behind the cab.
 
getblown5.9 said:
I just paid $1300 for a set of axle shafts, because its not something i can make on my own.

I didn't pay $250 for a clamp because i made it cheaper on my own and it doesn't have a stupid logo on it and im a cheap ass.

I showed the guy who made my clamp this thread and he laughed. He wants to know how a clamp can be made different than this one that is still simple and functional without being a copy cat? He also told me he would machine out a sweet looking billet aluminum tissue dispenser if anyone needs one.
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LOL Just for that- I want a billet tissue holder!!

I'm 100% with you TJ- If there was a copyright/patent infringement suit filed, it would be laughed out of court even if you make lots of these and sell them for $20 each. From the USPTO: "the invention must have utility; it must be novel; it must not have been obvious to a person having ordinary skill in the art at the time the invention was made, and it must be thoroughly explained and documented so that someone else would be able to make it." TJ made one without seeing a dimensional drawing from Staxxxxxxxxx.
 
dieselbeef said:
how is it attatched to the bed? those bolts cant go thru the clamp and then all the way thru the bed too. im gonna tig a L brkt to my band clamp base and the thru bolt it thru the front top rail of the bed.itll probly go over the top of the rail and the bolts will go thru from the insideto behind the cab.
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the front part of the bed rail is a single layer layer of metal, the lip just turns over and stops. it has a 3rd piece of metal back there threaded for the bolts

see clamp here
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*disclaimer* I am NOT a mech engineer by trade. I learned Solidworks the hard way; kicking and screaming models into submission.
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HAHA JOEFARMER I'M RIGHT THERE WITH YA

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...conceptual modeling since 2008 AHAHAAHA
 
joefarmer said:
LOL Just for that- I want a billet tissue holder!!

I'm 100% with you TJ- If there was a copyright/patent infringement suit filed, it would be laughed out of court even if you make lots of these and sell them for $20 each. From the USPTO: "the invention must have utility; it must be novel; it must not have been obvious to a person having ordinary skill in the art at the time the invention was made, and it must be thoroughly explained and documented so that someone else would be able to make it." TJ made one without seeing a dimensional drawing from Staxxxxxxxxx.
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Brandon, wish you claiming to be so smart.... I would think of all people you'd get what I was saying. Obviously no one can. It's not about copyrights, making something yourself.
 
stainless inserts, thats sweet. After reading this thread, I think I need to mass produce these things!! I will put some flutes in it to make it different though...:hehe: and charge $249:hehe:
 
fjbiker86 said:
stainless inserts, thats sweet. After reading this thread, I think I need to mass produce these things!! I will put some flutes in it to make it different though...:hehe: and charge $249:hehe:
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is that to make them whistle when you drive down the road?

LOL
 
ill put a big star on them, powder coat them black and put some stick on rhinestones on it...the "rockstar" type guys will snatch them up quick
 
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