Scheids rules...

Yeah kinda weird how guys can bush down and play in the 2.6 class but you have to have a 3.0 charger to run in the superstreet class. The littler classes like 2.6 ands 2.8 you can run a 3.4 turbo just bush it down or have stepped the cover and the 3.0 class you can't?
 
Thing I don't get is everyone pushes for everywhere to run the same rules and the two biggest pulls in the Nation got rules different from every other pull around.
 
Timbeaux38 said:
Why allow slugged chargers at all then? Just to put more trucks in a class?
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Early on it was probably just a real simple rule = 2.6" opening... This allowed guys to run a bigger charger bushed down in the same class. It also allowed guys to run bigger chargers with backcut comp wheels and machined comp covers with a true 2.6" opening.

People complain, rules are changed to say 2.6" opening, no bushings. So you can still run a bigger charger, you just have to spend the money for a backcut wheel and a machined housing.

Again more complaining, why should the guy with enough money to buy the custom turbo be allowed to compete in the class if the guy working on the cheap can't run a bushing and accomplish the same thing?

So now, it's 2.6" opening (anything goes)...

I don't care what they do, I just wish everyone's 2.6" class rules were the same... It would be nice to buy one charger and be able to compete at any 2.6" class pull you could make it to...
 
GOT-Torque said:
I don't care what they do, I just wish everyone's 2.6" class rules were the same... It would be nice to buy one charger and be able to compete at any 2.6" class pull you could make it to...
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Just buy one with a 2.6 wheel and you can.
 
GOT-Torque said:
Early on it was probably just a real simple rule = 2.6" opening... This allowed guys to run a bigger charger bushed down in the same class. It also allowed guys to run bigger chargers with backcut comp wheels and machined comp covers with a true 2.6" opening.

People complain, rules are changed to say 2.6" opening, no bushings. So you can still run a bigger charger, you just have to spend the money for a backcut wheel and a machined housing.

Again more complaining, why should the guy with enough money to buy the custom turbo be allowed to compete in the class if the guy working on the cheap can't run a bushing and accomplish the same thing?

So now, it's 2.6" opening (anything goes)...

I don't care what they do, I just wish everyone's 2.6" class rules were the same... It would be nice to buy one charger and be able to compete at any 2.6" class pull you could make it to...
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How much longer is tech for a backcut wheel and housing? I would assume it would require pulling the compressor cover off unless you had some pricey borescopes or something?
 
On a Dodge it should take about 5-10 minutes if they're running an air filter, less if it's just pulling a compressor cover...on everything else, I have no idea how long it takes to pull a cover off a charger.

Personally, someone, somewhere will find a way round almost every rule out there...so just pick something, and stick with it! Spec chargers would be nice for rules IF everyone adopted the same rules...otherwise, you'll still have this "discussion"

Chris
 
zstroken said:
Just buy one with a 2.6 wheel and you can.
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You are right Dan, that would meet the rules but at my expense (more coin for that turbo). I'd rather buy a cheap big turbo and bush it down. Remove the bushing for brush pulls. However some places don't allow bushed chargers, so you are forced to buy the expensive charger.

Timbeaux38, not sure what you would tech? If it has a 2.6" opening it passes all existing rules, unless you do as Weston suggested and limit the exducer size. This would require pulling covers to measure it though.

On a dodge it takes very little time to pull a comp cover...
 
Timbeaux38 said:
How much longer is tech for a backcut wheel and housing? I would assume it would require pulling the compressor cover off unless you had some pricey borescopes or something?
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I think that's what the bushing rule was intended to eliminiate. Because weather you allow a bushing or not the inducer still must be measured. But with a bushing you don't have to actually look at weather the compressor wheel protrudes into the inducer bore. The plug either fits or it doesn't.

The problem lies in that the enforcement of the rules is subject to the techs understanding of them. Now, at places like Scheid and such the techs are probally as knowlegeable about our trucks as we are. But smaller event this may not always be the case.
 
GOT-Torque said:
You are right Dan, that would meet the rules but at my expense (more coin for that turbo). I'd rather buy a cheap big turbo and bush it down. Remove the bushing for brush pulls. However some places don't allow bushed chargers, so you are forced to buy the expensive charger.
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I have discussed with several people that this is true. I can go out and buy a $5000 custom 2.8 charger that flows 120 pounds of air or I can go out and by a S480 for $900 and put in a $100 bushing and have the same 120 lbs of air.
That is why I say every class should allow bushings.
 
See this is what I am saying is crazy. All these wild trick things to look at but for the trucks that should actually be running them. They can't.
 
Timbeaux38 said:
But if they are slugged, does it matter? You can only move so much air through a given hole, right? I can't believe I'm saying this, but you do kinda have a point. If you can slug a 3.0 down to a 2.6 and the 3.0 not have any advantage for the bigger charger, I don't see the harm in slugging bigger ones, but I don't make the rules, nor am I smart enough to understand why they are written the way they are written in some instances.
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Timbeaux38 said:
Why allow slugged chargers at all then? Just to put more trucks in a class?
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I knew you were on my side Timbeaux. Your a real pal. Thats what I said in the very beginning of the thread. No bushing in any class. If you want jump up a class, well your going to be at a disadvantage without a doubt. Thats how it should be. 2.6 and the compressor wheel is in the inducer bore and same goes for the other classes. Why set a turbo limit when you can run a bushing? Seems pointless to me.
 
Actually, I'm leaning more towards allowing slugs for all instead of forcing crazy money trick chargers because of the cost factor and difficulty to tech exducer and what not.
 
Timbeaux38 said:
Actually, I'm leaning more towards allowing slugs for all instead of forcing crazy money trick chargers because of the cost factor and difficulty to tech exducer and what not.
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But my point is why not for the big trucks?
 
Exactly, if you can run a 3 inch charger with a 2.6 slug, why not run a 3.4 with a 3.0 slug in the SS class? Wierd.
 
Timbeaux38 said:
Actually, I'm leaning more towards allowing slugs for all instead of forcing crazy money trick chargers because of the cost factor and difficulty to tech exducer and what not.
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2tone-I think this is an agreement with you.

I think what we are all saying is slugs should be allowed in the 3.0 class. I for one think not allowing slugs in the 3.0 class is stupid. One for money reason and two keeping it as simple for the techs as possible. But then again I think the 3.0 class should be unlimited single and be done with it. Then have the mod class that allows multiple pressure stages.
 
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