Spray on the sledpulling track YES or NO

Spray on the sledpulling track YES or NO

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ctd8999 said:
I'm not a puller, why can't there be a nitros class by itself. Thanks Steve B.
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How about the MOD class that pays $5K to win. Someone could compete against Scheid for his own money. :kick: :hehe:
 
u moust not of heard him say quit talking about mod class or he will lock this thread? I dont think schied even has a mod truck anymore..... unless ingram is runnning in it with there truck?
 
Dockboy said:
By the way, the understanding of these theory's is no different than understanding the theory's of compression ignition and turbocharging which you all seem to think is "real diesel power" yet only a very small percent even have a vague clue about:poke:
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Please enlighten us of these two then since you are all knowing of "real diesel power".
 
outlaw99

Here's the post

Well, lets try to keep this about 2.6.

I don't want to lock this, but it may have to happen if the thread keeps getting derailed.

How many times are we gonna ask the same nitrous question?
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From this thread!

Not the one your in. *bdh* :hehe:
 
SledPuller21 said:
Please enlighten us of these two then since you are all knowing of "real diesel power".
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I never claimed to be, or said I was "all knowing" :rolleyes: I am a student of the theory and principles though and think everyone should be :poke:

95% of the bolt-on parts "real diesel power" guys couldn't put two factual coherent sentences together if asked to explain how their engine operates and why, let alone try to explain why using nitrous is not "real diesel power":kick:

Hell, I bet 95% of the people who voted No on this poll has never even held a nitrous bottle, nevermind used it. And that's OK! Everyone is entightled to their opinion. But if you are going to comment on why you said No, atleast have an intellegent, informed response or argument other than "diesel only is real power", "nitrous is cheating", "easy HP" :blahblah1:
 
Dockboy said:
I never claimed to be, or said I was "all knowing" :rolleyes: I am a student of the theory and principles though and think everyone should be :poke:

95% of the bolt-on parts "real diesel power" guys couldn't put two factual coherent sentences together if asked to explain how their engine operates and why, let alone try to explain why using nitrous is not "real diesel power":kick:

Hell, I bet 95% of the people who voted No on this poll has never even held a nitrous bottle, nevermind used it. And that's OK! Everyone is entightled to their opinion. But if you are going to comment on why you said No, atleast have an intellegent, informed response or argument other than "diesel only is real power", "nitrous is cheating", "easy HP" :blahblah1:
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I bet you are correct. I know that I haven't fooled with it much, but the reason that I voted no isn't because I don't use it. I have alot of money in my truck & it is hard enough keeping up with the big dogs on the track. Us 24v guys are limited to the power that these engines can produce. Last thing we need is a built 12v coming out & shooting nos. I think adding nos to the competitions would make the sport die. Every year the sport of sledpulling is growing, the spectators are watching & saying "I can do it". If you add drugs, they won't compete because alot of these newbies are running stock engines with a box & a DD.
 
the guy with just a box and a dd dont stand an chance anyways, whats the diff. of losing by 1'' or a mile... winning is winning'' fast and the furious'' for the #2 diesel guys.
 
Dockboy said:
But if you are going to comment on why you said No, atleast have an intellegent, informed response or argument other than "diesel only is real power", "nitrous is cheating", "easy HP" :blahblah1:
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97' CTD said:
Spray on the sled pulling track YES or NO.

This is just intended as a poll not really open for discussion cause im sure it would not take long to become a pissing match. Have a wonderful Holiday!
Brandon
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Well since I was following brandons wishes the first time around I guess I can express my opinion now. I don't think nitrous should be allowed in any street class where air shutoff's aren't mandatory along with turbo shrouds, also nitrous backfires that pop the charger or just plain over-speeding it with an improper wastegate setup that could cause a runaway situation. Just my $.02...I'm open to civil conversation of how it could or should be used not a ridiculous argument.
 
I agree with you, I said allow it with a air shutoff or even fuel shutoff. Make a seperate class for it maybe? but theres not enough people that run it to make a class out of it basically it would be run what you brung.
 
Dockboy said:
Hell, I bet 95% of the people who voted No on this poll has never even held a nitrous bottle, nevermind used it. And that's OK! Everyone is entightled to their opinion. But if you are going to comment on why you said No, atleast have an intellegent, informed response or argument other than "diesel only is real power", "nitrous is cheating", "easy HP" :blahblah1:
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I have and that's not why I voted no.

The categories for sled pulling are designed to put like trucks together to see who can out pull the others. So, by not limiting the spray, you are not putting like trucks against each other. How is that competition? (Drag racing is different. It is a time bracket, get there anyway you can.)

If you are going to allow spray, then the rules need to limit the turbo and jet size (including quantity). Once you limit the air potential, then I say, lets create a new class for that and go. But right now, the events that allow spray, don't limit the amount. So you will never have a level playing field.
 
''The categories for sled pulling are designed to put like trucks together to see who can out pull the others. So, by not limiting the spray, you are not putting like trucks against each other. How is that competition? (Drag racing is different. It is a time bracket, get there anyway you can.)''

''If you are going to allow spray, then the rules need to limit the turbo and jet size (including quantity). Once you limit the air potential, then I say, lets create a new class for that and go. But right now, the events that allow spray, don't limit the amount. So you will never have a level playing field.''

none of that makes any since. these classes are not competitive. you have the same 5 trucks winning everytime. thats not competitive. the 2.6 class is divided by people with money, by allowing spray you just allowed people with less money and more brain to compete with a very expensive 2.6 fuel only truck. If you dont think thats a fact then why can 2.6 trucks beat up on the average 2.8 truck? to say limiting jet size will help no it wont, any nitrous user knows that nitrous is only good for the fuel you havent burnt yet, a guy with stock injectors and a 150 shot will never get the benifit a guy with ddp4's and a 150 shot would get. Im not trying to start anything but thats my opinion.
 
outlaw99 said:
the 2.6 class is divided by people with money, by allowing spray you just allowed people with less money and more brain to compete with a very expensive 2.6 fuel only truck. I.
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Outlaw, I dont mean to pick on you, but this is the STOOPIDEST argument I have ever heard, in rules discussions, not just nitrous.:bang

Why?

I'll answer with a question.

Do YOU really think that a guy who spent 50 K on a 2.6 motor and turbo combination is going to let Dockboywannabe with a POS street truck, bolt on nitrous and come kick his ass?

It could happen, ONCE. Then money bags will hire Dockboy to set up his own nitrous system, and yer back to stage 1.

Same deal as the guys whining that someone spent 5K on a charger, and they only spent 1500k. No matter how you adjust the rules "to make it affordable" the guy with the most cash will find a way to spend it to get an advantage.

The only way to keep a class affordable is to implement a claimer rule. meaning if you win, anyone in the class has an option to buy your turbo for $500.

I would have made out like a bandit in 2005, because I was trading a case of beer for my winning turbos!!!
 
So if Nawzzz is legal on the track and illegal on the street........Why is my hoodstack legal on the street but illegal on the track???????
 
The only way to keep a class affordable is to implement a claimer rule. meaning if you win, anyone in the class has an option to buy your turbo for $500.
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That's one of the best statements I've heard.
 
hpprose said:
If you are going to allow spray, then the rules need to limit the turbo and jet size (including quantity). Once you limit the air potential, then I say, lets create a new class for that and go. But right now, the events that allow spray, don't limit the amount. So you will never have a level playing field.
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See this points out another "misconception" regarding the use of nitrous though. The QUANTITY of nitrous used DOES NOT determine the AMOUNT of hp gained!! There is no such thing as X size jet is a "50 shot" on diesels. More nitrous does not always equal more HP. The other determining factor(but not the only) is the amount the engine is over fueled. It takes alot of tuning to get the proper combination of jet size and fueling for optimum performance. You can have two different trucks, one will increase hp as the jet size increases, the other will decrease hp and vise versa.
 
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