Street class with a claimer rule?

I think that some on here need to start thinking on a bit bigger scale.

First off this is being talked about on a National Series scale. We all love our local hometown hooks but this is not going to happen at those.

Second please remember that the only charger that could be claimed would be the winner or maybe top 3 places.

Third the cost of the claim would need to be set at a point that someone could go get a new charger. The idea is to keep people from spending huge money on one.
 
JerrodGlover said:
I think that some on here need to start thinking on a bit bigger scale.

First off this is being talked about on a National Series scale. We all love our local hometown hooks but this is not going to happen at those.

Second please remember that the only charger that could be claimed would be the winner or maybe top 3 places.

Third the cost of the claim would need to be set at a point that someone could go get a new charger. The idea is to keep people from spending huge money on one.
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Well said. A truck that competes well in a claimer class should still do very well at the local level.
 
Please remember that the cost if claiming a turbo is out of reach for a lot of people. It's not something that would happen on a regular basis. Is the temptation of winning enough to put the extra money into a turbo to lose it?
 
i spent 5 years as a tech inspector at my local dirt track..........you guys start trying this stuff and the arguing, the *****ing, the back stabbing, and the internet bull**** will just grow and grow and grow, we already got guys out their "building" engines for the workstock class, that class is going to turn into the same thing Pro Stock tractor classes have, insane RPM's and replacing ALOT of parts every pull (which it aint far from now)........ill build a drag truck before i even get my truck on the dirt.........if i got to call my supplier every other week and order a new turbo from him cause some yahoo 3 states away took mine and he cant get me a new one for 3 or 4 weeks (cause this has happened to 15 other people he sells parts too) and my truck cant pull ill be one pissed off individual.........you guys let the classes get where they are now, you wrote the rules and you all were for it when you were pulling in them, now you've moved up and want tougher rules cause only a few select can pull cause you priced the class out........if im getting my ass kicked on a regular basis im either gonna step it up or step it out..........


if you cant run with the big dogs keep your junk on the damn trailer.........
 
I can guarantee you that I've been one of the very few that have been trying to slow the rules for the last three years. How many times have you ever seen an engine claimed? I don't want to see anyone get disgusted and walk away.
 
Back in the 50's or 60's, (yes I remember them) a local dirt track had an economy class that had a claim fee for the whole car. I'm thinking it was $300 It applied only to a race winner..(meat was cheap back then too) What happened was when you took your money up to claim the car, the owner would say, "It was just claimed 5 minutes ago." The claimer just happened to be the old owners pit man. The next week, the car would be raced under the pit man's name, and would be claimed back by the origonal owner.

Great intentions, but the plan failed miserably. :badidea:
Think of something else, Sleddy. :ft:
 
I think we just all need to finally realize why the NTPA's rules are so strict and have a rule for almost every aspect of the truck/tractor. as much as we don't want that to happen to us that will be the only why to harness the classes. the down side is gonna be the cost level will rise.
 
BigB82789 said:
You talkin to me? Want me to put an avatar up of me sled pullin? Just becasue you race doesn't mean you don't pull.
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No don't do that than Dockboy will refer to you as a no tooth outback guy that doesn't have running water and refers to thier sister as thier girlfriend. :hehe:
 
smokinrod said:
I think we just all need to finally realize why the NTPA's rules are so strict and have a rule for almost every aspect of the truck/tractor. as much as we don't want that to happen to us that will be the only why to harness the classes. the down side is gonna be the cost level will rise.
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Expense is a problem in any motorsport. I just talk to so many guys that will not pull because they are so out classed, even in work stock. The sport is growing so fast can the new guys even keep up?
 
Kman9090 said:
The newbies still aren't gonna be competive. Just because you get some bad bama jama turbo doesn't mean your now competing. Most if not all of the top 5 trucks at any 2.6 class sled pull are gonna have somewhat built motors. Just need to face it the 2.6 class is not an entry level class anymore. Your not gonna come out to a sled pull and be on top with a work truck anymore. Almost need to really think about making a different class with alot stricter rules about it being an entry level class.
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Being a guy that is going to try to be a newb and try to get to a couple of pulls this year. I am accepting the fact that I am not going to be competitive in the 2.6 class, there is no way that right now I am going to go out and get a second truck (to pull mine to the track), and Gooseneck(to put the truck on), then go buy a high flowing p-pump, pistons, billet cam, springs, and lockers, my old lady would KILL ME!!! I am going to try to stick to the local stuff and try to get my experience, and maybe someday hope to be competitive, slowly. This is just my .02, you want my perspective as a newbie.

Rick
 
I wasn't trying to get you to turn the other way. This past year was my first year pulling with a somewhat built 2.6 truck. I did fairly well and always finished pretty good and I still drive my truck everyday on the street. Will my truck compete on a National level We'll see when I go to Ts this spring. Hope by then i can get a few more things done that I planned on doing if not oh well. I am still paying payments on the truck and when i get it payed off then it will become a strict puller and I will buy another tow rig. Untill then I'm still driving it around and pulling it as many times as I can.
 
No I am not going to turn away, I have been trying to get my truck up to snuff for the past couple of years. Hopefully I will have my tranny taken care of by January, Axles by March. I know I am not going to be a national level this year, but I am still going to try to do what I can around these parts. A claimer rule isn't going to change that at all for me, or even a box charger rule. I think it would keep things kind of interesting on the National level and for that matter it would give a guy that is just starting to get into the scene something that he knows he is going to have to get.

Rick
 
mech2161 said:
Expense is a problem in any motorsport. I just talk to so many guys that will not pull because they are so out classed, even in work stock. The sport is growing so fast can the new guys even keep up?
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God, if this sport turned into formula one, with no way for a guy to get his foot in the door, i'd just up and die.

Although at the highest level it could be startin to get this way. Lot's of crazy stuff. Billet everything, including blocks. Sigma pumps can be had, but they aint cheap either. We'll find crazier things to do with turbos, more efficent and expensive designs. Maybe ones that are fully engineered, designed and built by one team for that team. And god knows everything else on a truck could be re-engineered from the ground up and machined if you got the money. Who knows where it could go.
 
I'm another one that's new to pulling. I've been going to pulls my whole life but I've only pulled once. It took me over 4 grand to place 5th in workstock at DHRA in Houston. And I did all the wrenching myself. That ain't in Indiana or Ohio! Not to mention the price of the truck. I could've pulled better but I still wouldn't have been in the top 3. And that's just workstock. It's discouraging when WS doesn't just mean a chip or programmer. I'm spending another 4 grand this winter just to hook with the 2.6 guys and loose, but then I'll get 2 hooks a pull instead of driving 400 miles to hook once. Gotta pay to play I guess.

You bigger guys keep talking about wanting to attract more people to the sport but there's really no class for new people to get in without alot of money. This thread is going in two different directions.

A- some people want more rules to divide classes to their favor

B- some people want a truely entry level class to attract more competitors and grow the sport

With that being said, "box" / "off the shelf" turbo's keep coming up... I'd like to know where to get a 66/71 S300 for less than 1500 bucks new? I haven't seen any and I look at every sponsors site I can find looking for new stuff.
 
In a truly stock class there would be no top truck (s). The competition would, essentially, be even. Aside from the differences in chassis setup, which should also be extremely limited in a stock class, all the trucks are built the same. It should be more of a brand war at this level.
My wish in working with the rules I use at our local non sanctioned pull would limit the amount of time a competitor spent in a stock class if they dominate. At this point I have no "stock" class. Thats the one everyone wants in if you have it.
It should be the goal of every competitor to kick it up a notch. Not build a Varsity truck to play on the grade school playground.
Unfortunately, in sled pulling, more and more rules need written every year to either, prop up the little guy, or deter the bully. Too many rules create more opportunity to bend. A vicious, vicious cycle.
Limit the rules and open up the competition. I understand that there are many true "workstock'' competitors that just come out to have a good time, and they should understand that it is, after all, a competition.
If your playing to win, and you do, there must come a time to put on the big boy pants and stop being a bully. Tell me you can't afford to move up a class I say bull. To a true competitor, money is the last thing on their mind.

Sorry for the rant, but for some reason I felt the need and obeyed.

The charger claimer class isn't going to catch anybody cheating because the cheaters won't be playin' on that field.

(Now, were did I put my flame-suit):hehe:
 
I B-CUMNZ said:
I'm another one that's new to pulling. I've been going to pulls my whole life but I've only pulled once. It took me over 4 grand to place 5th in workstock at DHRA in Houston. And I did all the wrenching myself. That ain't in Indiana or Ohio! Not to mention the price of the truck. I could've pulled better but I still wouldn't have been in the top 3. And that's just workstock. It's discouraging when WS doesn't just mean a chip or programmer. I'm spending another 4 grand this winter just to hook with the 2.6 guys and loose, but then I'll get 2 hooks a pull instead of driving 400 miles to hook once. Gotta pay to play I guess.

You bigger guys keep talking about wanting to attract more people to the sport but there's really no class for new people to get in without alot of money. This thread is going in two different directions.

A- some people want more rules to divide classes to their favor

B- some people want a truely entry level class to attract more competitors and grow the sport

With that being said, "box" / "off the shelf" turbo's keep coming up... I'd like to know where to get a 66/71 S300 for less than 1500 bucks new? I haven't seen any and I look at every sponsors site I can find looking for new stuff.
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A lot of people think "I" want different rules to fit my truck because I drive a Ford. Truth is the new guys that I talk to are just that. New that have not pulled at all or only once or twice. The "new" guy for the most part doesn't know what CompD is and has never been on a forum. Someone needs to speak for them.

Snedge said:
In a truly stock class there would be no top truck (s). The competition would, essentially, be even. Aside from the differences in chassis setup, which should also be extremely limited in a stock class, all the trucks are built the same. It should be more of a brand war at this level.
My wish in working with the rules I use at our local non sanctioned pull would limit the amount of time a competitor spent in a stock class if they dominate. At this point I have no "stock" class. Thats the one everyone wants in if you have it.
It should be the goal of every competitor to kick it up a notch. Not build a Varsity truck to play on the grade school playground.
Unfortunately, in sled pulling, more and more rules need written every year to either, prop up the little guy, or deter the bully. Too many rules create more opportunity to bend. A vicious, vicious cycle.
Limit the rules and open up the competition. I understand that there are many true "workstock'' competitors that just come out to have a good time, and they should understand that it is, after all, a competition.
If your playing to win, and you do, there must come a time to put on the big boy pants and stop being a bully. Tell me you can't afford to move up a class I say bull. To a true competitor, money is the last thing on their mind.

Sorry for the rant, but for some reason I felt the need and obeyed.

The charger claimer class isn't going to catch anybody cheating because the cheaters won't be playin' on that field.

(Now, were did I put my flame-suit):hehe:
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That's the idea. This may not be what's needed but I hope it start's those in control to think about the future.
 
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