Street class with a claimer rule?

The turbo isnt where the money is being spent. IF you want to whoop up in the 2.6 class you do it with a built motor, custom cam, ported heads and dual fuelers.

Its a good idea to limit the class but YOU GUYS ARE NOT GETTING BEAT BY THE TURBO.
 
Part of being a legal charger in the "tech" portion in the 1st pull of a sanctioned body would not be a charger that has been worked on the inside. Once a turbo is found to be an off the shelf charger that anyone can buy for a general price and it passes inspection it is then wrapped with a heat tape or something that would last all year. it is either signed or stamped by an official and only needs to be glanced at during tech at all other pulls. As long as the seal hasnt been tampered with its the same legal charger on the truck.
If someone wants to try a different charger or has a failure, they have the new one tech'd just the same and sealed up after inspection.
I think it could work depending on what material and type of seal was used that would last all year and wouldnt be easily altered by cheaters.
 
racinmike77 said:
The turbo isnt where the money is being spent. IF you want to whoop up in the 2.6 class you do it with a built motor, custom cam, ported heads and dual fuelers.

Its a good idea to limit the class but YOU GUYS ARE NOT GETTING BEAT BY THE TURBO.
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Then why are the classifications based on turbo size? LOL If your not getting beat by the charger then size doesn't matter.
 
using turbo size is like using a restrictor plate. Sure everyone runs the same plate/inducer BUT whoever puts the most money into their motor and setup will perform.

Gains in custom turbos at this level are marginal. I have raced in events with carburettor claimer rules but guess what the guys with the custom carbs dont always win. Usually the guys with the best cars and setups do.
 
if the goal is to keep the chargers reasonable and the competition close, then please explain how your claimer rule would work better than a box charger rule?

what if somone buys a fancy whizzbang charger thats whoops up on every one and it gets claimed then the next truck whoops up on everyone so it gets claimed again. it could end up getting run and pulled on a different truck every weekend.

also imho roundy round car racing is a lot more about driver skill whereas truck pulling is about horsepower and transfer of said horsepower to the track. which would be why they may want to limit there engines so it is more of a drivers class.
 
Well almost everyone in the 2.6 class has had intensive motor work, it's not like it's just one person. There's also alot more than one guy with a custom turbo. I would bet if the claimer rule ever did come into effect it would hardly ever be used.
 
mech2161 said:
Kman9090 said:
The thing is most chargers are legal... There's no question there. It's just the guys that are taking this chargers and have them machined and paying big money to have them modified.[/QUOTE]

And for the entry level classes that is going to deter new pullers.
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You dont think its going to deter new pullers that someone can pay a little money and take their turbo home with them no matter what they have to say about it?

Im telling you, anybody who wins much will be wearing out the studs on their exhaust manifold.

What do you mean by work stock? Stock turbo?

Also, what if i D-max wins, and there are no other D-max guys say for the next 10 places, so none of them can claim his turbo. Well, why on earth would a dodge or ford guy want to claim a d-max turbo if it wont even work on their truck? The guys may want to claim it, but it just wouldnt be financially very easy if it wont even work on your truck.
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I understand what that purpose of this rule is, and i like the underlying idea, but to me it make no sense in so many ways. So maybe i need to be cleared up on some things so i'm gonna ask a few question.

First off, i get my turbo claimed at the track, after all is said and done they just pull it off right there? And i'm stranded with a turboless truck? So i basically have to bring a spare turbo that is the exact same as the one i run so i can hand it over if i get claimed?

What if some dick head is claiming your turbo just to be a pain in your ass for whatever reason? I mean that's far fetched but not unreasonable.

Are you gonna make people sign contracts to race? Because if there is no legal bind I'm just gonna leave if someone is telling me to give them MY turbo. If there is a legal bind I'd probably do it anyways and see if they legally pursue me.

Like i said, i understand what your trying to do with a claimer rule, but i think there has to be a better way to level the playing field. I see alot of holes in this. Or maybe i'm just not seeing this right so someone please clarify.
 
I doubt it will go as far as a legal contract it was mostly posted as an idea. It's a good idea but getting guys to follow it I doubt it. If I were to Claim somebody's turbo no I would not want them to take it off then and there but at the next pull we attend together. It's just an idea to keep guys from spending huge money on a charger but it all honesty doubt it works. If we really wanted to make a entry level class you might as well try a 2.4 class and it has to be an off the wall turbo but then again guys will be bending that rule. Like most say rules are meant to be broken. It makes the class interesting though. In the past month how much talk has there been about the 2.6 class???
 
gotta12v said:
if the goal is to keep the chargers reasonable and the competition close, then please explain how your claimer rule would work better than a box charger rule?

what if somone buys a fancy whizzbang charger thats whoops up on every one and it gets claimed then the next truck whoops up on everyone so it gets claimed again. it could end up getting run and pulled on a different truck every weekend.

also imho roundy round car racing is a lot more about driver skill whereas truck pulling is about horsepower and transfer of said horsepower to the track. which would be why they may want to limit there engines so it is more of a drivers class.
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A box charger rule is fine. There is plenty of room for cheating. So a guy finds a way to reseal the charger after it's been modded, it's sealed and no one is going to look at it. Now if there is a possibility that someone can claim it, is he going to put a bunch of money into it?

If you don't think sled pulling has a lot to do with the driver and truck set up how is it that I stomp a lot of trucks with 100-150 more hp?
 
gotta12v said:
also imho roundy round car racing is a lot more about driver skill whereas truck pulling is about horsepower and transfer of said horsepower to the track. which would be why they may want to limit there engines so it is more of a drivers class.
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Half right. Thinking like that is what won me 4 championships in different series, all over the country.:cheer:

Everybody was in a horsepower race, and forgot they needed to DRIVE the truck also.
 
Vefreak said:
Are you gonna make people sign contracts to race? Because if there is no legal bind I'm just gonna leave if someone is telling me to give them MY turbo. If there is a legal bind I'd probably do it anyways and see if they legally pursue me.

I am sure that there would be something in the rules that stated if your turbo was claimed, and you did not give it up you would not be able to attend the next pull and therefore be out of the points race.
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I tried to answer you question in red, that is just kind of how I see it.

Rick
 
You are correct. It would be unsportsman like to leave someone stranded. Even to be able to load the truck on the trailor.
 
I B-CUMNZ said:
It's a good concept but it'd need alot of hatching out to actually work.
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It is only a concept at this time and would need a lot more understanding on everyone's part. My idea is to come up with a way to keep an entry level class that new pullers can afford. I do understand it is a competition and money rules. It is a way to drop money bags to his knees if need be.
 
mech2161 said:
Then why are the classifications based on turbo size? LOL If your not getting beat by the charger then size doesn't matter.
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just cause your old lady says that it doesn't mean it is true:hehe:

this is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. just becuase someone can afford a custom built charger they shouldn't be condimed. it is easy to coagh up charger money compared to what it would cost to jump up a class and still be in the top 5 or even 10.

I am sorry that you choose a Ford with a powerstroke, but it is not anybody eleses fault you can't hang with them SO QUIT TRYING TO BUILD A POWERSTROKE CLASS

and as for just being beat by the charger LOL you just keep thinking that it makes our lives easier if that is all they limit us to.
 
mech2161 said:
It is only a concept at this time and would need a lot more understanding on everyone's part. My idea is to come up with a way to keep an entry level class that new pullers can afford. I do understand it is a competition and money rules. It is a way to drop money bags to his knees if need be.
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isn't that why there is classes like WORKSTOCK or even the good old STOCKCLASS that most pulls have?
 
Ease up a little bit. First off it wasn't even his idea in general Sledpuller brought it up and he just made it a whole new thread. The Stockclass isn't an entry level class it is just the stock class. Around here they don't even want you to have a chip on your truck in that class. As unlogical as it might seem the guy that wants to step up from a stock truck and do some mods they are now competting aganist guys with some serious time and money into thier trucks. The American Dream is to always want bigger and better.
 
smokinrod said:
isn't that why there is classes like WORKSTOCK or even the good old STOCKCLASS that most pulls have?
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LOL Work Stock my ass. Look at how many built motors and cheater turbos are in that class. Your just bit**** because you want to stay on top of your class. I could give a rats ass what the rules are. If I choose to pull I will. Maybe you need to get off your high horse and talk to some of the newbies that don't pull because there is no place for them to be competitive.
 
The newbies still aren't gonna be competive. Just because you get some bad bama jama turbo doesn't mean your now competing. Most if not all of the top 5 trucks at any 2.6 class sled pull are gonna have somewhat built motors. Just need to face it the 2.6 class is not an entry level class anymore. Your not gonna come out to a sled pull and be on top with a work truck anymore. Almost need to really think about making a different class with alot stricter rules about it being an entry level class.
 
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