Street class with a claimer rule?

whos to say this wouldnt cause bigger spending else where.
with an engine claimer you get the whole engine, with a turbo claimer if everyone ends up buying the same turbos to keep turbo cost down somone is going to dig deeper into the head for that extra gain.

so a $2000 turbo to win or a $1200 turbo with a $6k cylinder head to win. if someone wants to win bad enough and has the money a turbo claimer isn't going to fix the problems imho.

truckpulling will always be a horsepower game no matter what the class, and as stated in mad max speed (or horsepower) cost money how fast (or far:hehe:) do you want to go

even in a stock turbo class people have gotten crazy to win (a certain red dmax that pulled dhra workstock and white smoked at idle and won several points seasons)

plus this could also crush ingenuity. say I found a junk yard charger and machined a housing for it and ran it, it may have been cheap but I dont want somone elso to have parts Ive researched and found. if thats the case make it a super farm box turbo class
 
gotta12v said:
whos to say this wouldnt cause bigger spending else where.
with an engine claimer you get the whole engine, with a turbo claimer if everyone ends up buying the same turbos to keep turbo cost down somone is going to dig deeper into the head for that extra gain.

Who can afford to put up the money to claim someone's motor? Built motors you can't stop. The turbo is the easiest way to limit power.

so a $2000 turbo to win or a $1200 turbo with a $6k cylinder head to win. if someone wants to win bad enough and has the money a turbo claimer isn't going to fix the problems imho.

truckpulling will always be a horsepower game no matter what the class, and as stated in mad max speed (or horsepower) cost money how fast (or far:hehe:) do you want to go

even in a stock turbo class people have gotten crazy to win (a certain red dmax that pulled dhra workstock and white smoked at idle and won several points seasons)

His turbo "appeared" to be stock. Again you can't stop people from building motors.

plus this could also crush ingenuity. say I found a junk yard charger and machined a housing for it and ran it, it may have been cheap but I dont want somone elso to have parts Ive researched and found. if thats the case make it a super farm box turbo class
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So with your junk yard charger you found something that works and your winning. You stand the chance of being claimed and your secret is out. This levels the field and keeps competition closer.

These are just ideas. Who's to say anyone will do it.
 
Im sorry, this just seems like a crazy idea to me:bang

Y'all were talking about car racers doing it with motors... That would almost work better because no one wants to swap a motor every pull...

With the turbo, it would be every pull someone would be wanting to claim a turbo.

You say it would be best in the lower classes.... Say I drive my truck on the street every day. I drive my truck in and get 6th in the work stock class. I want to drive my truck home so i can go to church the next morning and to work on Monday, but Joe Blow over here with $500 wants to buy my turbo and I cant stop him from doing it???????????? So I have to order a turbo and wait a whole week and find something else to drive until my new turbo comes in that was the same darn thing i had on it before....

Or maybe its friday night, and I want to make a big pull Saturday night. Someone takes your turbo, so what are you gonna do? Go to wal mart and buy one? :bang

I would rather see a standard charger ran in the class rather than seeing this. Although I dont see how you could pull that off either.

Do the people claiming the turbo get to know what it is they are getting, or do they just hope for the best?

Its not very inviting to someone who just wants to pull every now and then, but drives their truck every day.

Lots of things wrong with this idea IMO.
 
Cummins Driver said:
Im sorry, this just seems like a crazy idea to me:bang

Y'all were talking about car racers doing it with motors... That would almost work better because no one wants to swap a motor every pull...

With the turbo, it would be every pull someone would be wanting to claim a turbo.

You say it would be best in the lower classes.... Say I drive my truck on the street every day. I drive my truck in and get 6th in the work stock class. I want to drive my truck home so i can go to church the next morning and to work on Monday, but Joe Blow over here with $500 wants to buy my turbo and I cant stop him from doing it???????????? You could only clame the winning Turbo.So I have to order a turbo and wait a whole week and find something else to drive until my new turbo comes in that was the same darn thing i had on it before....

Or maybe its friday night, and I want to make a big pull Saturday night. Someone takes your turbo, so what are you gonna do? Go to wal mart and buy one? :bangThats the risk of pulling, you could go home with a bunch of money to cover a new turbo also. What if you break friday night same thing right?

I would rather see a standard charger ran in the class rather than seeing this. Although I dont see how you could pull that off either.

Do the people claiming the turbo get to know what it is they are getting, or do they just hope for the best? The clamer would get what ever your running even if its junk.

Its not very inviting to someone who just wants to pull every now and then, but drives their truck every day.

Lots of things wrong with this idea IMO.
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I tried to answer you questions in red.
 
I personally think a box turbo rule would be better than this idea.

for example a 2.6 box turbo class. the box charger could be a 66/71 .80ar
s300

scheid, htt, II, E.D. could all sell them and they could be inspected at the beginning of the season and sealed. then eveyone would be running the same charger, cost could be reasonalble, ect.

I think some superfarm classes have gone to this in the midwest using a 3X3 gt4202 box charger.

However I dont really think this is an rule that we need to worry about because I dont see anyone going for it, or it adressing a problem that we are experiencing in pulling. We have had success in the 2.8 class this year with a inexpenive readily available charger. Its about putting together a motor program not buying a hyped up overpriced turbo with lots of trick work and minimal to no gain.
 
gotta12v said:
I personally think a box turbo rule would be better than this idea.

for example a 2.6 box turbo class. the box charger could be a 66/71 .80ar
s300


May be enough air for a Cummins but what about a DMax or a Ford?


scheid, htt, II, E.D. could all sell them and they could be inspected at the beginning of the season and sealed. then eveyone would be running the same charger, cost could be reasonalble, ect.

I think some superfarm classes have gone to this in the midwest using a 3X3 gt4202 box charger.

However I dont really think this is an rule that we need to worry about because I dont see anyone going for it, or it adressing a problem that we are experiencing in pulling.
Trying to keep a level playing field? No matter what's in the motor the turbo is going to limit the power. Sixty feet between 1st and 15th out of 40 trucks is a big spread. If you can only get so much power out of a $1250 turbo why put $30k in the engine?
We have had success in the 2.8 class this year with a inexpensive readily available charger. Its about putting together a motor program not buying a hyped up overpriced turbo with lots of trick work and minimal to no gain.
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When you can only get so much power out of a cheaper turbo it's going to keep expenses down, increase participation and competition.
 
mech2161 said:
A claim can be made by a puller that placed in the top ten against anyone that placed in the top ten. The claim can only be made after both parties have completed the event.

Jamie you make a good point. It's not cheap to put a claim on someones turbo so it may or may not happen. Can you replace it for the amount they put up? There are risks on both sides.
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I can't replace mine unless I get $1500. Imagine that Jimbo has around $2300 in his turbo. I don't see this kinda thing happening in our area.
 
Cummins Driver said:
Im sorry, this just seems like a crazy idea to me:bang

Y'all were talking about car racers doing it with motors... That would almost work better because no one wants to swap a motor every pull...

With the turbo, it would be every pull someone would be wanting to claim a turbo.

You say it would be best in the lower classes.... Say I drive my truck on the street every day. I drive my truck in and get 6th in the work stock class. I want to drive my truck home so i can go to church the next morning and to work on Monday, but Joe Blow over here with $500 wants to buy my turbo and I cant stop him from doing it???????????? So I have to order a turbo and wait a whole week and find something else to drive until my new turbo comes in that was the same darn thing i had on it before....

Or maybe its friday night, and I want to make a big pull Saturday night. Someone takes your turbo, so what are you gonna do? Go to wal mart and buy one? :bang

I would rather see a standard charger ran in the class rather than seeing this. Although I dont see how you could pull that off either.

Do the people claiming the turbo get to know what it is they are getting, or do they just hope for the best?

Its not very inviting to someone who just wants to pull every now and then, but drives their truck every day.

Lots of things wrong with this idea IMO.
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That is what I was thinking. I guess I'd have to buy a spare turbo & keep in the backseat.:hehe: The cool thing about that rule is that if someone pisses you off, buy their turbo & make them wrench, then buy the next turbo once installed??? :hehe:
 
This is real common in the dirt track classes.

I’ve seen engines that Ray at RayMac has built for, with $5000 to $7000 with a claimer rule for $1500.
The claimer rule is not that anyone can have an engine for $1500, but people on the lead lap can have it. The same rule allows the guy being claimed to have their engine in return. So it’s more like a swap.

So make a claimer rule where the first several trucks can swap turbo’s for $500 .
 
gotta12v said:
whos to say this wouldnt cause bigger spending else where.
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Oh it will, you can't stop the spending. Its Americans drive to WIN we are born with it.


The person who this rule would totally screw is the guy with a new truck and a box, that got stuck in the class by some twist of fate.
Then there is a rain storm, the track goes to trash, and he wins with his low power truck, and Billy Bad Ass claims his turbo ,"Causin they is no WAYYYY that dude cant be cheating if he beat me!!!":hehe:
 
so a box rule would not level the playing field but a claimer rule would? all trucks running the same turbo would make them run closer than people getting to steal other peoples research.

and your saying that a larger cubic inch motor needs more turbo to make the same amount of power as a smaller motor. if thats the case lets all decube to make more power from less turbo.

to help the larger engines breathe the box rule could be open'd up to allow different exhaust housings for different aplications but the same compressor, turbine, cover, ect..

and we won the 2.8 class at scheid with a $1000 turbo
 
Some of the lower hp tractor pulling classes have a specific turbo pullers are allowed to run but it just means that the $$ will be used to get more air through the head.

In my opinion there is no way to make a competition "fair", a fair competition is an oxymoron.
 
I talked to Anthony from Rocket Chassis. Their cars win more that any competitor and drivers like Tony Stewart run their cars on the dirt. They are very familiar with claimer rules and are willing to help if this would ever get off the ground.
 
I can honestly say that if this does get off the ground you will never catch me pulling in a claimer class.
 
I believe the first pull of the year, there should be some real tech guys there (not just a VFD guy with a slug in his hand) and actually take apart charger and look at them. With some form of heat tape or seal close up legal chargers and let them run. Then from there on the rest of the year as long as the seal has not been broken then the truck is legal. (much like boxers gloves being signed before a fight) Just a thought. might not really work but seems like it could in theory.
 
The thing is most chargers are legal... There's no question there. It's just the guys that are taking this chargers and have them machined and paying big money to have them modified.
 
Kman9090 said:
The thing is most chargers are legal... There's no question there. It's just the guys that are taking this chargers and have them machined and paying big money to have them modified.[/QUOTE]

And for the entry level classes that is going to deter new pullers.
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