Swole's Infamy of Carnage Continues!!

Soup Nazi said:
Responding to other vendors with a clear agenda gets us nowhere....so even when they post comments taken out of context or wild misinformation I cant "set the record straight" to every internet poster who pops up.
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I didn't just pop up Don, you know that, all I inquired about was why you talk in circles?
 
joelc79 said:
I am having them do every test possible to tell me exactly what i have. We will se if they are up to par.
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I'd love to see a jpg of the balance sheet they send you, actually. i <3 numbers much more than i <3 heated debates and name calling on the intarwebs.

perhaps in a new thread, however, instead of more swole-hijacking.

speaking of swole - eagerly awaiting results of the injector tests you mentioned were pending. and any updates, really. things i also <3 include learning from other peoples pain :hehe::hehe:
 
I am going to post a few pictures up of the differences between our nozzles and others. I will try and be very concise and easy to understand.

Dont expect a total explanation of what we do and what is different between us and them though.

The first photo is the "F1" stamped nozzle for the 04.5 and up 5.9 engine. This is the same nozzle David has in his engine. His nozzle is a Flux 3.8 in size. I believe the truck runs 11.20's when it is not busted. LOL

To combat copying and other companies stealing our nozzles and calling them theirs. ( yes it happens more than you think ) we have the "F1" stamped into the nozzle stem. It is stamped in during production before the steel is hardened. The stem is the thinnest part of the nozzle that anyone can see when the complete injector is assembled.

Secondly, we have the "F1" NOT stamped, but laser marked on the head of the nozzle after the steel is hardened and the final size grinding is done. There is also a date code lasered on, but that will follow in the next photo with the explanation of what the codes mean.
 

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This nozzle is the 2nd generation of the 04.5+ that we designed. The differences in this nozzle and the previous one shown are not apparent on the outside, but they can be indentified by the date code laser marked "0607" as shown. The 06 in the date code is the month. June. The 07 is the year. So June, 07 is when this nozzle was lasered. The last process done.

Some changes between the 1st generation and this are different tolerances between the pintle and nozzle body and a super trick pintle grinding process that will be shown in the coming photos.
 

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Here is the 03-04 engines nozzle. This nozzle has a "555" stamped into the stem as well. The "555" is there to avoid confusion between the 03-04 engine nozzles and the 04.5+ nozzles. We decided on 555 or "triple nickle" as the engine produces 555 ft lbs in the 03 HO form.
 

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Gotta run for a few moments and grab some late lunch. More to come soon.
 
Quick Question Don...

And you know why I'm asking if you'll think back about the set of Injectors I recieved from John at Floor-It.

Are ALL F1 Injectors stamped with these markings you mentioned and have pictures of?
 
Convicted1 said:
Quick Question Don...

And you know why I'm asking if you'll think back about the set of Injectors I recieved from John at Floor-It.

Are ALL F1 Injectors stamped with these markings you mentioned and have pictures of?
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No, the 04.5+ will almost always use a stock Bosch nozzle, not our custom nozzle. In the overwhelming majority of cases we use the stock, Bosch, seat hole nozzle. This is because with high pressure like so many run and the rail dynamics of the 04.5 engine, the Bosch will last longer. I will explain in more detail why later on.
 
Kronic_187 said:
if it weren't for canada the states would be screwed..... and if you don't realize that YOU, are the idiot
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BoO3_5tU8A
 
To clarify:

The 03-04 uses the "555" nozzle in 99.99% of the cases. It is a 5 spray hole design VS the 8 spray holes in the stock bosch nozzle.

The 04.5+ uses the stock Bosch nozzle probably 95% of the time. I dont send the custom nozzle to many because it has some really cool tricks and I dont know where they may end up and lets face it, the average guy is not needing this. They want long term durability.
 
joelc79 said:
italian or chinese... nozzles? not lunch
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I have no parts made in China. You know this. I have been down the "your cams are made in China" before road. Im not going down the same road with nozzles.
 
Soup Nazi said:
To clarify:

The 03-04 uses the "555" nozzle in 99.99% of the cases. It is a 5 spray hole design VS the 8 spray holes in the stock bosch nozzle.
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What is the reason or rational for changing the number of holes on 03/04 nozzles?

Wouldn't 8 smaller holes have much bettern spray angle and fuel atomization that 5 larger holes?
 
Here is a photo posted by Smokem "Wes" in a different thread. These are cross sections of seat hole and sac hole nozzles.

The nozzle on the left is the type of seat hole nozzle you would find in a Dodge Cummins truck. As you can see the cross section of the nozzles tip is uniform and does not get any thinner at the tip. This adds strength.

The two nozzles on the right are sac type nozzles. These have the durability disadvantage of getting thinner near the very tip of the nozzle. The thinner section is where most of the failures take place.

While the seat style is stronger, it is a disappointment in the performance category. The sac style will kick its butt in this regard and can live a long life if the pressure is controlled in the common rail system.

With the 03-04 engines running a totally different pressure curve than the 04.5+ engines they just dont break nozzle tips very often. It is very rare to have them fail and you get the performance advantage associated with it.

Once people began blocking rails, adding massive pressure with modded pumps and dual pumps, the failures began to increase.
 

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Sorry Swole
good info here, and no Don i didn't know what you were usin...hint the reason i asked. Just a question for learning, not attacking.
 
JasonCzerak said:
nice photo name... :)
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He does not understand that the Common Rail injector closes the injector pintle with pressure from the system, not some weak spring like a 12 or 24V engine uses. The pintle gets slammed forward faster and harder as the Common Rail system pressure increases. The thicker the cross section of steel in that area, the better chance it will live a longer life with added pressure.

The funniest part is that it is his own photo showing the obvious weakness this part would have in a CR system.
 
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