Swole's Infamy of Carnage Continues!!

For the record, I love that his thread has helped in some way!! Bringing info that is requested by both Weston and Don! I like both of these guys , it just so happens that I choose to spend my money with Don way before I ever knew who Weston was. Don has been WAY more than acomidating for me and has Always taken care of me as he is now.

So you guys please stop appoligizing for the so called derailing. I really dont mind as long as someone can learn from what happens to me.

The good news is that its better than we thought. I did have a tip split but not break off!! Yay me. We swaped tips that Jeff had here and i stalled in the truck. The truck seems to run fine! So all I need is a new nozzle. But Dons has some new tricks he may do to the next set.

Should I go bigger?!?!? LOL LOL

J/K

once I get the new nozzles and swap them out , I should be in business!!
I hope! We didn't drive it, just cranked it in the lot. Jeff gave it the OK from his hearing and special touch! lol
 
Soup Nazi said:
He does not understand that the Common Rail injector closes the injector pintle with pressure from the system, not some weak spring like a 12 or 24V engine uses. The pintle gets slammed forward faster and harder as the Common Rail system pressure increases. The thicker the cross section of steel in that area, the better chance it will live a longer life with added pressure.

The funniest part is that it is his own photo showing the obvious weakness this part would have in a CR system.
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I do not understand? I can't quit laughing Donny boy. You still haven't answered the question why Bosch has gone to Sac type from VCO, and had less injector failures. I've been civil, now, maybe not so much.
 
Soup Nazi said:
He does not understand that the Common Rail injector closes the injector pintle with pressure from the system, not some weak spring like a 12 or 24V engine uses. The pintle gets slammed forward faster and harder as the Common Rail system pressure increases. The thicker the cross section of steel in that area, the better chance it will live a longer life with added pressure.

The funniest part is that it is his own photo showing the obvious weakness this part would have in a CR system.
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ohh I understand. I just thought it was a funny name for the jpg. ;-)

Thanks for your explanation and thoughts on this Don. I'm sure most of us appreciate it.
 
Don, how many cases of tips cracking in the sac nozzle have you experienced?
 
King of Misinformation said:
I have a couple of options on this. I can use a seat type nozzle, that is somewhat stronger just by design. They have a thicker cross sectional area near the tip VS a sac nozzle, but when they break off the pintle usually goes into the engine as well. Causing huge headaches and repairs.
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In case you weren't aware Don, there is a step inside the shank area that limits the travel of the needle by the secondary guide to keep the pintle from coming out of the tip end. I parted the end off of an '03-04 nozzle, it cannot go lower than it is in the picture.

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what about I.I., Wicked, and DDP what can we say about their injector services. Might as well bring em all in here!
 
Big Swole said:
For the record, I love that his thread has helped in some way!! Bringing info that is requested by both Weston and Don! I like both of these guys , it just so happens that I choose to spend my money with Don way before I ever knew who Weston was. Don has been WAY more than acomidating for me and has Always taken care of me as he is now.

So you guys please stop appoligizing for the so called derailing. I really dont mind as long as someone can learn from what happens to me.

The good news is that its better than we thought. I did have a tip split but not break off!! Yay me. We swaped tips that Jeff had here and i stalled in the truck. The truck seems to run fine! So all I need is a new nozzle. But Dons has some new tricks he may do to the next set.

Should I go bigger?!?!? LOL LOL

J/K

once I get the new nozzles and swap them out , I should be in business!!
I hope! We didn't drive it, just cranked it in the lot. Jeff gave it the OK from his hearing and special touch! lol
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That's great swole!

I too love this thread and CompD, any other site would have banned multiple
members.

Glad you found the cause.
 
I have witheld this information, but I feel now it is justifiable.

What your looking at here is a borescope image of a brand new Mach 4.5 nozzle, straight out of the box, unwrapped, and failed on the test stand. Upon further inspection, the sac was found to contain rust on the needle, which is clearly plugging one spray orifice.

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Measured nozzle flow of 1 nozzle so far- 2070 ml/min which we would call a ~100% over nozzle. Injector delivery consistent with a 100% over set on average. Output spread is average, we would not send a set out like this unless the customer insisted on it because of cost issues. 6.20% variance.
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i can't even keep up...buy the time i go back to new threads its at the top again
 
Smokem said:
I have witheld this information, but I feel now it is justifiable.

What your looking at here is a borescope image of a brand new Mach 4.5 nozzle, straight out of the box, unwrapped, and failed on the test stand. Upon further inspection, the sac was found to contain rust on the needle, which is clearly plugging one spray orifice.

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Rust2.jpg
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Anyone can post up ugly photos and call it our parts quality or whatever. We dont test injectors with water.
 
Soup Nazi said:
With the 03-04 engines running a totally different pressure curve than the 04.5+ engines they just dont break nozzle tips very often. It is very rare to have them fail and you get the performance advantage associated with it.
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So why then would you change the 03/04 8 hole nozzle design and run a 5 hole 03/04 nozzle design in your Flux series nozzles.....

What are the benefits?

Why are you making 5 hole 03/04 nozzles, while other companies make 8 hole 03/04 nozzles?
 
Smokem said:
The owner of the injectors is a board member, sorry Don.
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Why didnt I hear about it then? Why would someone who purchased injectors from us not call if they had a problem with new injectors? Sounds strange.
 
Soup Nazi said:
Why didnt I hear about it then? Why would someone who purchased injectors from us not call if they had a problem with new injectors? Sounds strange.
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Because they wanted a second opinion, it is not against the law. They feel much better now. But what do I know, I'm just a dip****, remember.
 
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