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jfaulkner said:
I do a little of both but I haven’t had personal cam issues since the C12/C13 which was common BUT all my trucks get oil changes at 12-15k. No useless oil samples, no snake oil additives, no fancy filters ect. Just normal 15W40 Rotella and roll.

Last S60 we did got a cam but it also needed a head, ISX is pretty common for cam issues but I just attributed it to extended drains, low oil pressure and Chinese quality parts.

Oil samples are like a fat guy owning a bathroom scale. What’s the point if your not going to do anything different.
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Rotella 15w40 is all I run as well. Every 20k km so about the same mileage. I know guys that run 30-40k km on oil and only grease the truck then as well.

My series wiped out injector cad love at 1.9 mil km.

I swapped the cam when my other was rebuilt. Cam had a few spots but still runnable. Had 2.2 on truck but I don’t know engine history. I can’t remember if there were any markings on anything we pulled out.
 
Ram12vcummins said:
Rotella 15w40 is all I run as well. Every 20k km so about the same mileage. I know guys that run 30-40k km on oil and only grease the truck then as well.

My series wiped out injector cad love at 1.9 mil km.

I swapped the cam when my other was rebuilt. Cam had a few spots but still runnable. Had 2.2 on truck but I don’t know engine history. I can’t remember if there were any markings on anything we pulled out.
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I’m not saying there is anything wrong with other oils. In fact the oil distributor has offered better prices on other brands. But it’s really hard to convince someone to switch when they have zero lube issues. A customer uses Mobil and his stuff always looks good too. The ones that seem to have wear issues I’ve seen are guys that extend drain intervals. And I guess if you have 300 trucks and don’t keep them long and can save $$$ by extending them go ahead. The wear issues will be someone else’s problem.
 
jfaulkner said:
I’m not saying there is anything wrong with other oils. In fact the oil distributor has offered better prices on other brands. But it’s really hard to convince someone to switch when they have zero lube issues. A customer uses Mobil and his stuff always looks good too. The ones that seem to have wear issues I’ve seen are guys that extend drain intervals. And I guess if you have 300 trucks and don’t keep them long and can save $$$ by extending them go ahead. The wear issues will be someone else’s problem.
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An oil change costs me about $180. It’s cheap in my mind to be spread over 20k km on something that makes me money. The same trucks get greased weekly depending on terrain we are in. Lots of rough roads some times. And in my mind it helps. I’ve done one ujoint on that 1.9 mil truck and the rest are originals. And that one was prob my fault for not ensuring grease was in all the caps. I’ve tried a few other oils and they seemed to either turn black faster, or seep from something or the truck uses it. Rotella seems to be the best fit for my trucks anyway.
 
Ram12vcummins said:
An oil change costs me about $180. It’s cheap in my mind to be spread over 20k km on something that makes me money. The same trucks get greased weekly depending on terrain we are in. Lots of rough roads some times. And in my mind it helps. I’ve done one ujoint on that 1.9 mil truck and the rest are originals. And that one was prob my fault for not ensuring grease was in all the caps. I’ve tried a few other oils and they seemed to either turn black faster, or seep from something or the truck uses it. Rotella seems to be the best fit for my trucks anyway.
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Oh I agree and my oil changes are simple with the grease manifold next to steer tire and disk brakes. I only have to check trans/axle oil and grease U-Joints and the service is done. No brakes to grease or adjust speeds things up.

But with hundreds of trucks that $180 adds up, especially when you buy cheap trucks with DD13’s or Maxxforce engines that aren’t worth scrap in 3yrs when you trade anyway. At the last Richie Brothers auction you could buy DD13’s for $1100 all day. Buddy auctioned a 2010 Cascadia with a DD and it brought $5500 where the 2000 FLD120 with a Cat sold for $20,000. But remember leiffi said those are good engines.
 
jfaulkner said:
Oh I agree and my oil changes are simple with the grease manifold next to steer tire and disk brakes. I only have to check trans/axle oil and grease U-Joints and the service is done. No brakes to grease or adjust speeds things up.

But with hundreds of trucks that $180 adds up, especially when you buy cheap trucks with DD13’s or Maxxforce engines that aren’t worth scrap in 3yrs when you trade anyway. At the last Richie Brothers auction you could buy DD13’s for $1100 all day. Buddy auctioned a 2010 Cascadia with a DD and it brought $5500 where the 2000 FLD120 with a Cat sold for $20,000. But remember leiffi said those are good engines.
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It’s hard to see the theory to buying those type of trucks new and selling them at 800k. They sit getting warranty monthly for a week. It’s lost money in loads. I’d rather take an off warranty quality built truck. One guy up here had a nice classic with a 6nz. The engine went so instead of fixing it he sold it some Hutterite for the serial number to build a glider. And bought a miled out high rise freight liner with an isx. This was his second year.... engines done. He’s parking it in the bush to look for another cheap pos. He paid 20 for it and prob would have costed 30 for the 6nz rebuild but at least he would have known what he had.

I love the disc brake setup I put on my 94 w9. Lol sure beats all those grease nipples. None of my trucks have a grease manifold though. But it’s not too bad. My trucks are fairly high.
 
SmokinCAT said:
How black has the oil been on your engine when you have changed it?

Delvac and the water they call T4 rotella just don’t have the TBN to handle high soot in the oil anymore.
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T4 viscosity isn't any different than any previous 15w40. TBN is for acid not soot.
 
allan5oh said:
T4 viscosity isn't any different than any previous 15w40. TBN is for acid not soot.
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And while the viscosity number did not change, I have talked with multiple people that have had to change away from rotella that have ran it for years because when the change was made to T4 their engines started using oil very heavily, and this issue went away by either finding a distributor that can still order T3 or switching brands completely.
 
SmokinCAT said:
Soot creates acidity...
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Sulfur and water does. The former is all but gone in diesel and has been reduced in oil. That's why TBN has been dropping. It sucks for the places in the world that have high sulfur diesel.

SmokinCAT said:
And while the viscosity number did not change, I have talked with multiple people that have had to change away from rotella that have ran it for years because when the change was made to T4 their engines started using oil very heavily, and this issue went away by either finding a distributor that can still order T3 or switching brands completely.
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Interesting
 
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allan5oh said:
Sulfur and water does. The former is all but gone in diesel and has been reduced in oil. That's why TBN has been dropping. It sucks for the places in the world that have high sulfur diesel.



Interesting
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Do a simple search on TBN, helps neutralize combustion byproducts, no where does it say sulfer or water.

They lower the TBN because newer engines don’t produce the soot that older engines do.
 
SmokinCAT said:
Do a simple search on TBN, helps neutralize combustion byproducts, no where does it say sulfer or water.

They lower the TBN because newer engines don’t produce the soot that older engines do.
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They're talking about sulphuric acid. The B in TBN is base as in basic the opposite of acid. Soot is just carbon. More or less soot has nothing to do with the depletion of TBN.

On the older engines TBN stopped being an issue on extended drains as soon as ULSD was mandatory everywhere.

If TBN IS an issue you can always run one of those luberfiner TBN filters.
 
allan5oh said:
They're talking about sulphuric acid. The B in TBN is base as in basic the opposite of acid. Soot is just carbon. More or less soot has nothing to do with the depletion of TBN.

On the older engines TBN stopped being an issue on extended drains as soon as ULSD was mandatory everywhere.

If TBN IS an issue you can always run one of those luberfiner TBN filters.
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You have no clue what sort of combustion gases a mechanical puts into the crank case and oil, if it was solely based on sulphur in fuel the mechanicals would be running cleaner oil, and that isn’t the case, the oil breakdown quicker than it did before, most 855s I help with are changing oil around 8000 miles because oil starts to degrade and they drop oil pressure.
 
SmokinCAT said:
You have no clue what sort of combustion gases a mechanical puts into the crank case and oil, if it was solely based on sulphur in fuel the mechanicals would be running cleaner oil, and that isn’t the case, the oil breakdown quicker than it did before, most 855s I help with are changing oil around 8000 miles because oil starts to degrade and they drop oil pressure.
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Go educate yourself. TBN has nothing to do with oil degradation or oil pressure. It has everything to do with neutralizing acids.

Those engines are either getting fuel dilution or they're shearing the oil. Nothing to do with TBN. Especially at 8000 miles!
 
allan5oh said:
Go educate yourself. TBN has nothing to do with oil degradation or oil pressure. It has everything to do with neutralizing acids.



Those engines are either getting fuel dilution or they're shearing the oil. Nothing to do with TBN. Especially at 8000 miles!
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How is it, that no matter topic on this forum, everyone says you’re wrong... however you seem to think you’re the only one that knows anything about anything.

You’re the biggest idiot to come across this forum in some time.


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BRE said:
How is it, that no matter topic on this forum, everyone says you’re wrong... however you seem to think you’re the only one that knows anything about anything.

You’re the biggest idiot to come across this forum in some time.


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PROVE IT instead of talking ****.

Everything you will find about TBN will be EXACTLY what I've been saying

Until then be a good panty waste and go drive your 5 mpg company truck
 
allan5oh said:
PROVE IT instead of talking ****.



Everything you will find about TBN will be EXACTLY what I've been saying



Until then be a good panty waste and go drive your 5 mpg company truck
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Strike a nerve there phuckstick?


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BRE said:
Strike a nerve there phuckstick?


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Tired of open mouth breathing idiots that just believe what they're told and don't actually do any research.

Ad hom attacks are a sure sign that person has lost the argument.
 
allan5oh said:
PROVE IT instead of talking *****

Until then be a good panty waste and go drive your 5 mpg company truck
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You need to be a good little Canadian and finish everything with eh!


I’m not a Pete fan by any means but I’d drive his 5mpg company truck that doesn’t look like a company truck vs your fleet spec T8.

Is that your elog beeping I hear?
 
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