Who Has the Rattle / Clatter / Knock etc???

Ive also got it almost as bad as tritons burnout video so add me to the list!Spooled 05=Zack
 
Big Swole = David Elrod
Triton = Ty
onetun
soulezoo
EPA Violator = Jay
HIGH TECH RAM=Chris
cbtoyz=Colin Beddow
Smokingoat04=Josh
jaredb900rr = Jared
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Spooled 05=Zack
 
triton said:
what you're talking about is lash. The CP3 is turned by the cam. It's possible to get gear lash between the CP3 gear and the cam gear. This is not what this thread is about.

FYI ..... direct from the service manual

FUEL INJECTION PUMP TIMING
With the Bosch injection pump, there are no mechanical adjustments needed or necessary to accomplish fuel injection timing. All timing and fuel adjustments are electrically made by the engine mounted Engine Control Module (ECM).


As you can see.... the CP3 is NOT timed so it's not something the factory forgot to do.
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Please do not tell me what I am talking about. I am talking about the timing or phasing of the CP3 pump to the cam.

I thought that this thread was about a noise, not a certain cause. I am simply offering a suggestion of what might be the cause.

Are you aware that most of the time, the way the factory does something isn't the same way that the service folks would do it? That is appearantly the case with timing the CP3 because as I have said before, the plant times or phases the pump to the cam to reduce noise.

If you continue to say that the factory doesn't time the CP3, please tell me where you get your information, who did you talk to? Because the service manual is just that. A service manual.
 
Big Swole said:
Gear lash!!

Not Valve lash!!


TY explained it!!


BUT once again, this is NOT the noise we are hearing.....My truck does have a tapping noise at idle and above probablly because I did a complete build but it doesn't bother me NEAR as much as this timing rattle / clatter / pinging!!!
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Right, I didn't specify "gear" lash because I thought it was understood that we weren't talking about valves.

Hope you get it figured out.*bdh*
 
blu_by_u said:
Please do not tell me what I am talking about. I am talking about the timing or phasing of the CP3 pump to the cam.

I thought that this thread was about a noise, not a certain cause. I am simply offering a suggestion of what might be the cause.

Are you aware that most of the time, the way the factory does something isn't the same way that the service folks would do it? That is appearantly the case with timing the CP3 because as I have said before, the plant times or phases the pump to the cam to reduce noise.

If you continue to say that the factory doesn't time the CP3, please tell me where you get your information, who did you talk to? Because the service manual is just that. A service manual.
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LOL

where's your proof the factory does it differently ??


blu_by_u said:
Right, I didn't specify "gear" lash because I thought it was understood that we weren't talking about valves.

Hope you get it figured out.*bdh*
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adjusting the CP3 would have nothing to do with the valve lash which is why you mentioning adjusting the CP3 has more to do with " gear " lash.
 
blu_by_u said:
Please do not tell me what I am talking about. I am talking about the timing or phasing of the CP3 pump to the cam.

I thought that this thread was about a noise, not a certain cause. I am simply offering a suggestion of what might be the cause.

Are you aware that most of the time, the way the factory does something isn't the same way that the service folks would do it? That is appearantly the case with timing the CP3 because as I have said before, the plant times or phases the pump to the cam to reduce noise.

If you continue to say that the factory doesn't time the CP3, please tell me where you get your information, who did you talk to? Because the service manual is just that. A service manual.
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OK if the pump gear is timed with the cam, then this theory would only affect engines that have had the timing cover off and removed the gear. Changing the pump would not affect anything.

Rob
 
onetun said:
OK if the pump gear is timed with the cam, then this theory would only affect engines that have had the timing cover off and removed the gear. Changing the pump would not affect anything.

Rob
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Changing the pump would change how it is indexed with the gear, its just a smooth shaft right..... sure the gear hasn't changed, but you changed the pump shaft to the gear.......




blu_by_u said:
Please do not tell me what I am talking about. I am talking about the timing or phasing of the CP3 pump to the cam.

I thought that this thread was about a noise, not a certain cause. I am simply offering a suggestion of what might be the cause.

Are you aware that most of the time, the way the factory does something isn't the same way that the service folks would do it? That is appearantly the case with timing the CP3 because as I have said before, the plant times or phases the pump to the cam to reduce noise.

If you continue to say that the factory doesn't time the CP3, please tell me where you get your information, who did you talk to? Because the service manual is just that. A service manual.
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This is a different animal.....yes some people can hear a bit of "gear" sound coming from the front of the engine, I've heard it on a truck at a auction....

In theory there is a "sweet spot" to were the pump plays nice with the cam gear......pump pulses match up nice with injector pulses......


If there is a TSB out for the 6.7.....then it would apply as well to the 5.9...same principle.

KINDA moot throw on another pump on a belt for god's sake and those pulses aren't timed to nothing guarantee'd for that matter the pulses could hit a the same time, when ideally they would be phased apart.

Chris
 
maybe we should go at this from a different angle.

What damage comes from a truck that has a rattle of any kind ?? In other words.... where would the wear be.

All on this list should get oil analyzes done and we can compare metal levels. If we all show high levels in a certain area, we'll know something definitely needs to be done. If we don't..... let's turn up the radio and go racin ' LOL

If anyone is interested.... this is one of the best places to have it done..

 
My CP3 has never been off

I also have oil samples tested, nothing but good results

I just keep driving
 
Swole, has your new found power made you accept your rattle ??? Haven't heard anything from you about it lately :poke:
 
I just watched tritons vid an it sounds jus like my rattle. An being kinda new to this had me a lil worried . Glad to see im not the only one.
So Big Swole u can add me to the list westerndano75= Dan
 
I have the same rattle and it is ecm related some how. It also affects my fuel milage, low end, smoke, and ticks loud when at an idle. It started when my truck was bone stock with a quadzilla race module. The extra timing gave me the same rattle, but when I turned it back to stock it was still there only a little quieter. I run into the same thing with the smarty jr. 2 weeks ago I put a new ecm in my truck and all the problems went away. My lowest milage hand calculated was 19.8. One night when I turned my truck off there was a single chime like when a code comes up, but there was no codes. Then my milage went to 16.7 on the next tank after that. The rattle was back, poor low end, smoke. I set the ecm back to stock (unloaded the smarty jr.) and still there just like before. I spent hours yesterday looking for wires that might have bare spots etc., but could find none. The other thing I get is boost in range low codes. Also threw an over boost and boost in range low at the same time. Maybe this is a different animal, but it is starting to become a real pain. I know how it should run, but it does not.
 
Torqued said:
I have the same rattle and it is ecm related some how. It also affects my fuel milage, low end, smoke, and ticks loud when at an idle. It started when my truck was bone stock with a quadzilla race module. The extra timing gave me the same rattle, but when I turned it back to stock it was still there only a little quieter. I run into the same thing with the smarty jr. 2 weeks ago I put a new ecm in my truck and all the problems went away. My lowest milage hand calculated was 19.8. One night when I turned my truck off there was a single chime like when a code comes up, but there was no codes. Then my milage went to 16.7 on the next tank after that. The rattle was back, poor low end, smoke. I set the ecm back to stock (unloaded the smarty jr.) and still there just like before. I spent hours yesterday looking for wires that might have bare spots etc., but could find none. The other thing I get is boost in range low codes. Also threw an over boost and boost in range low at the same time. Maybe this is a different animal, but it is starting to become a real pain. I know how it should run, but it does not.
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You're getting those boost codes likely because you don't have a boost fooler ( don't see one in your sig anyway )

Codes can be in the ECM but not show sometimes, you have to extract them

You may be right those in the fact once programming is installed, it's there for good and causes some sort of issue with performance.

There is a tick at idle that's normal but, there are other ticks that aren't good at all.
 
Overboost I understand, but why low boost and it is not all the time. Plus why get an overboost and low boost at the exact same time. Smarty jr. gives fooling ability to 36 psi. Talked to quadzilla about boost fooling for low end and they said the fooler does not do anything for low boost. HTT said they have not had any problems with low boost codes on this turbo with a bone stock truck.
No codes show on a starscan that I could not get with the smarty jr.
The tic at idle is more like a rod knock. Way louder than when it was running right.
 
Torqued said:
Overboost I understand, but why low boost and it is not all the time. Plus why get an overboost and low boost at the exact same time. Smarty jr. gives fooling ability to 36 psi. Talked to quadzilla about boost fooling for low end and they said the fooler does not do anything for low boost. HTT said they have not had any problems with low boost codes on this turbo with a bone stock truck.
No codes show on a starscan that I could not get with the smarty jr.
The tic at idle is more like a rod knock. Way louder than when it was running right.
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I can't speak for everyone here but, my truck purrs at idle. No ticking or rattling. You could have something more going on.

Those codes can show up randomly sometimes. The ECM has quirks to where it throws codes because of something random happening. They're know as intermediate conditions and go away on their own.

I assume you have a boost gauge and you know you haven't gone above 40psi ?

These truck have this knock/rattle when stock but, it's not so noticeable. Once programming is introduced, parameters change and we end up with issues. That's what hasn't been figured out yet.

The fact you installed a new ECM and it went away confirms what I was thinking. The problem there is.... we have to have programming !!
 
I have had this truck since new, and hand calculate every tank of fuel. I now have 76k on it. When running right I could pull my empty 5600 lb. gooseneck flatbed and get 16.5. When it started having problems epmty I would drop to 10. Even with a single axle trailer that weighs 800 lbs. and my 1700 lb. utility vehicle it will drop to 11 mpg. I am going to buy one more ecm and not leave it bone stock and see if it still has problems. If I cannot figure it out after that the truck is going to be traded in on an 05 dually I have picked out.
 
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