Will 2.8" Stay Around For Years To Come?

Will 2.8" Stay Around For Years To Come?

  • YES

    Votes: 39 50.6%

  • NO

    Votes: 38 49.4%
  • Total voters
    77
There has to be some differences in these 2 classes water and twin cp3's allowed in the 2.8 would start pushing 2.6 guys up that dont belong to 2.8, along with an rpm limit and suspension travel in the 2.6. If it would be a big deal for you to get your truck legal your probably one of those who needs to step up a class.
 
yoshi470 said:
I agree but i just feel like if you are gonna let one class use water you might as well let all of the classes regaurdless of turbo size. I guess im part bias tho too since i have water injection
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HotRodTractor said:
So since one class uses tube frames and pulling tires - then all classes should be allowed to?
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yoshi470 said:
What does a tube chassis and pulling tires have to do with water injection? Obviously in the 2.6 and 2.8 its going to factory frame and driveline with street tires. Not really a fair comparison, water injection is just one thing i think that should be allowed in all classes.
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See below - that was my point!

lightsOUT said:
the point of allowing/not allowing things is to have seperation between the classes.

all the classes need more seperation, not less.
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What about limiting the turbo frame size, like everyone must run an s300 based turbo, no s400's even the s465
 
DarrenKrueger said:
There has to be some differences in these 2 classes water and twin cp3's allowed in the 2.8 would start pushing 2.6 guys up that dont belong to 2.8, along with an rpm limit and suspension travel in the 2.6. If it would be a big deal for you to get your truck legal your probably one of those who needs to step up a class.
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I agree on some points but please everyone throw out the suspension travel rule!
 
HotRodTractor said:
See below - that was my point!
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Yes i understand there needs to be different rules for each class on what is allowed/not allowed. Like in tractor pulling EVERY class can run water. If they didnt allow it a lot of the motors wouldnt stay together and wouldnt make the necessary power to run right. I agree there needs to be differences amongst the class but there are several other ways to do that and still allow water for everyone. Everyone has their own opinion and im just expressing mine.
 
teddybear said:
I agree on some points but please everyone throw out the suspension travel rule!
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I totally agree that pulling without solid suspension sucks. Just seems like a good way to make the 2 classes different. Last year it seemed as if everywhere made both classes run an inch or two of travel.
 
This is a great thread so far. I’d say it’s one of the biggest debates in diesel this year. I agree, there has to be more of a gap between 2.6 and 2.8 for 2.8 to survive, and make 2.6 guys want to pull in 2.8, or force them to bump up.

2.6 was crazy at Scheids. A 2.6 truck made just under 800hp on the dyno, but came up 10 feet short of even qualifying for the finals.
 
DarrenKrueger said:
Right now we have 2 classes of non streetable trucks on factory driveline at least the top 5-10 2.6 trucks arent driven and are running 3.0 turbos. They need to be the ones stepping up to 2.8 and giving the street guys their class back.
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:thankyou2: Well said mr krueger. That would give me initiative to put more money in a truck for an ACTUAL street class and not have to spend 20- 30k (minimum) to have something worth running. This would give me more reason to run instead of just for the hell of it.
And by the way, i didn't think you could ever type this much. :cheer: :hehe:
 
outlaw99 said:
You Cant Take Away Dual Cp3's.... If You Do That Then I Say All Truck Must Run Factory Pumps?
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Well, since you say.... :rolleyes:

This is what's taken the classes where they are now. Since the rule affects you, the rule can't be made? Get serious. I know single pumps are made to run as good or better than duals. Still seems to take a lot more tuning to get it to run right and consistent to flow what the duals will. One of our local organizations fought and fought and had multiple rules meetings and one of the biggest discussion was because of dual pumps. Their argument was that the P-pumps are gonna take over if we don't get duals & duals make all the difference in the first 100 ft. which is where the pull is won. BLAH BLAH BLAH. Everyone's gonna have a reason why their setup shouldn't need changed. Some thinking outside the box and more towards the group as a whole would be much better for the sport and EVERYONE involved.
 
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huh, so because we would like to keep up with all the 13mm guys we are unfair for wanting our dual pumps? I dont know about you but I hate buying **** twice or three times for that matter. so I was always taught if you wanna make 800hp build a truck that can handle 1000, if you wanna transmission that will hold 800hp build it to hold a 1000. dont buy **** twice. I got my twin setup for a couple hundred less than a beefed up single, thats another reason I bought it.
 
I don't think there's a snowball's chance in summer of 2.6 going back to single CP3. A CR truck wouldn't stand a chance. Not that rules should necessarily be manipulated to favor or help out one truck over another but they should be made to bring the playing field more level and the 2.6 couldn't possibly be mre level. There's CR Dodges, DMax, VP Dodges (though few and far between) and of course P-pump dodges all capable of winning any given night. You can't really argue that the class (2.6) is too expensive because there are LOTS of 2.6 trucks so a good many folks can afford to get in the game at least one notch up from stock charger WS classes.

I'm gonna beat my drum again. Leave 2.6 alone because it's perfect and let the 2.8 split up. The lower level one's can drop down to 2.6 and likely do real good and should enjoy doing that. The upper level ones that are currently detuned a bit to save the driveline can put a big driveline under them that'll hold and turn the wick back up and let 'er eat!! Just seems like a no brainer to me. But I've been called an idiot more than once.


C-ya
 
Why not just make 2.8 bump to 3.0? then you have your diff. in comp. why even have a 2.8 class? then you could make 3.0 open driveline, because most likely there is not going to be a daily street driven 3.0.
 
Is your no brainer gonna give street trucks a class to pull in? Or the budget for the 2.8 guys your wanting to do away with the budget to run with 150,000 dollar scheid trucks?
 
it doesnt matter the cost, theres always someone with more money, schied could build a 2.6 truck and prob beat us because he has a huge buisness backing it. but his buisness is to show innovation, theres not a whole lot of innovation in 2.6 compared to ss and pro-mod.

for the 2.8 guys, I think they could sell there factory drivetrain with a good set of axles and pay for a rockwell, then they just drop the money for a drop box, but if you have a 2.8 truck that runs at the top you obviously have money....

the real point is the people who want to be able to compete in any class just becasue they have a 2.6 or 2.8 yada yada turbo have to understand it is a sport. you better build it for the sport, everyone here knows you cant build 3 trucks, street,sled,drag in 1 truck. it doesnt work that way. for the actuall street guys that wanna pull of the street, let them pull but you guys cant honestly expect to win with just a charger and a smarty or something.
 
No doubt 2.6 will not go back to single CP3's. No reason not to since all these super single pumps are so great. Mitch, not that anybody else will care about these organizations, but name me any VP truck that won in the NKTPA or BOB this year. Maybe it happened, but I've not heard of it. As far as CR's not standing a chance, I believe KY showed that a bunch of 2.5 inch trucks that were limited to a single CP3 showed could hang with P-pumped 2.6 trucks last year @ SDX. Surely there were 13mm pumps in that class last year too. Why would it be any different or how could you say they wouldn't hang when they not only hung but won and had a total of 12 single CP3 trucks in the finals with 5 of them for sure only running a 2.5 charger. That's just the common rails, not to mention the VP's running a 2.5 knocking out 2.6 trucks from being in the finals. A rule change should be made whether pumps are lost or chargers need changed. It's getting to be where it doesn't need to suit the puller anymore. The only ones that will like all the rules are either the ones that make them to what they want, or what they're building for. The 2.8 class is a classic example of what a factory driveline can run, even if it does take some creativity. Funny how the ones that want 2.8 thrown out are usually the ones in the 2.6. The 2.6 class is a joke when compare to the 2.8 rules, because the charger size is basically the only difference! Just my $.02, but that usually aint worth much.
 
my thoughts is there needs to be some differences between classes, but it all comes down to who wants to spend the money to be on top. Its the game of motorsports if you want to do good you will spend the dollars to do it. I have ran into this when i flat track & TT raced four wheelers I had $14g in the last one i had. It a money deal. I agree there not much difference from 2.6 to 2.8 and something needs to be done. Guess im guilty of a 2.6 I have one and it stays in the shed tell day of pull get put on trailer. Just like i plan on tearing motor down in two weeks for some changes to keep up next season.
 
outlaw99 said:
Why not just make 2.8 bump to 3.0? then you have your diff. in comp. why even have a 2.8 class? then you could make 3.0 open driveline, because most likely there is not going to be a daily street driven 3.0.
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Why not eliminate 2.6 and make them them pull 2.8? Where most of them should be. Why make the 2.8 guys spend all their money in open drivelines. By the way you said make 3.0 open driveline... Don't know where you pull but 3.0 has always been open driveline.
 
so you just want to totaly skip a entry level class? and make the sport for 60k dollar trucks and up? you also eat your own words when you make that comment, then what we have every ****ing 2.8 truck breaking driveline? you go ahead and sanction your own league. I would love to see how many pullers you get, I hope you understand at 80% of these events 2.6 trucks can easily pay the full payout for all classes in there entry fee alone. we averaged prob. 30-35 trucks in just 2.6 every cotpc pull.
 
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