DHRA 2.5 Lets hear it

HAHAHA, knew I would get a reaction out of ya on the weight sleddy! As long as it will stay at 8k I will be ok, still have to make sure I am at 1/4 tank and strip everything out.
 
2.5 no bushing gets my vote only because there are so many trucks already running under that rule in other sanctioning bodies.

Make the 2.8" class a 3.0" no plug class with 1 ton driveline.

I suppose I could be guilty of wanting a class to fit my truck.... but I don't want to make the jump to a built driveline, and I don't want to drop turbo size.

Jason
 
so no more gay OEM motor rule????? I dont care if the class fits my truck, tell me the rules and ill see if i fit the class. im just not prone to havin a conversion and gettin thrown to the wolves...
 
HotRodTractor said:
2.5 no bushing gets my vote only because there are so many trucks already running under that rule in other sanctioning bodies.

Make the 2.8" class a 3.0" no plug class with 1 ton driveline.

Jason
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I agree 100%. If not 2.5, 2.6 would be okay i guess, but since almost everywhere else already has the 2.5 rule, i think it should be 2.5. Definitely NO BUSHINGs.
Gene, are you talking about changing the work stock class to a 2.5 class? Or making a whole new class for 2.5 trucks?
 
teddybear said:
Gene, are you talking about changing the work stock class to a 2.5 class? Or making a whole new class for 2.5 trucks?
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NEW, additional.
 
I kinda look at it this way: we have this wide population of trucks out there and all we are doing is divvying up who pulls against who by setting class limits.

If we keep people limited to pulling in one class, no matter how many classes we have, it's the same number of trucks. So why not this:

1. work stock - stock charger, no fhw (same as now)
2. mod stock - 2.6" no bushing, fhw
3. hot stock - 2.8" no bushing, fhw, water, no filled blocks
4. limited pro - 3.0" no bushing, fhw, water, electric accessories
5. pro street - unlimited singles and limited twins, open driveline
6. modifieds - sky's the limit

More classes with tighter divvying would keep competition tight (which is what we all want) and should be stable for a long time. Jumping up to the next class would be at a smaller investment. And there'd be a place for everyone since there are many choices of chargers at these size breaks.

And no rpm limits. Let the charger size breaks take care of that.

JMHO.
 
nwpadmax said:
I kinda look at it this way: we have this wide population of trucks out there and all we are doing is divvying up who pulls against who by setting class limits.

If we keep people limited to pulling in one class, no matter how many classes we have, it's the same number of trucks. So why not this:

1. work stock - stock charger, no fhw (same as now)
2. mod stock - 2.6" no bushing, fhw
3. hot stock - 2.8" no bushing, fhw, water, no filled blocks
4. limited pro - 3.0" no bushing, fhw, water, electric accessories
5. pro street - unlimited singles and limited twins, open driveline
6. modifieds - sky's the limit

More classes with tighter divvying would keep competition tight (which is what we all want) and should be stable for a long time. Jumping up to the next class would be at a smaller investment. And there'd be a place for everyone since there are many choices of chargers at these size breaks.

And no rpm limits. Let the charger size breaks take care of that.

JMHO.
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The only problem with 6 classes is that you will have fields of 5 trucks per class. Add to that the fact that every class is going to want a purse and it can strain a budget rather quickly. I read somewhere on here that DHRA has paid almost 40k in purses at the pulls this year. It nmay be easy to come up with $$ to pay back 3 spots in 6 classes for a pull or 2, but it is different on an entire season. I have talked to Eric (DHRA) and Randy (NHRDA) about this very topic and the consensus is that there arent enough sponsor(or gate) dollars to start doubling the # of classes yet. When class size becomes an issue, then it is time to make more classes, but until then, Who wants to see a 5 truck "hot stock, bushing RPM limit" class and a 6 truck "slightly bigger than Hotstock bushing RPM linit class?"
 
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After reading this whole thread , it sounds like everyone is wanting pretty much the same thing. 2.5 or 2.6 seems to be the only issue I can find.

I don't have a dog in this fight , but I don't see where hanging weights would be an issue as long as it meets the weight requirement?
 
I say quit dicking with the rules! If you want to add a class fine but leave the other classes alone.
 
Timbeaux38 said:
The only problem with 6 classes is that you will have fields of 5 trucks per class. Add to that the fact that every class is going to want a purse and it can strain a budget rather quickly. I read somewhere on here that DHRA has paid almost 40k in purses at the pulls this year. It nmay be easy to come up with $$ to pay back 3 spots in 6 classes for a pull or 2, but it is different on an entire season. I have talked to Eric (DHRA) and Randy (NHRDA) about this very topic and the consensus is that there arent enough sponsor(or gate) dollars to start doubling the # of classes yet. When class size becomes an issue, then it is time to make more classes, but until then, Who wants to see a 5 truck "hot stock, bushing RPM limit" class and a 6 truck "slightly bigger than Hotstock bushing RPM linit class?"
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Well, I hear ya Tim, and I agree with your logic. I also agree that payouts might be a problem. From my view, having only the top 3 or 5 getting paid would be fine. I mean geez, getting a check for $40 for 7th place or whatever (locally, not DHRA) doesn't mean much to me. If it does to other people, I understand.

Without directly saying it, the competitors WANT closer competition, and widening the classes won't ever do that. Only narrowing the classes will.

I dunno. How do we get around this?

I disagree that there will be 5-truck classes. No way. There'll be more like 15 per class instead of the 20-30 (or +++) you get now. Say 35 WS and 25 Street as it now is, now divide that by 4 classes = 15. I know I'm oversimplifying.

The point is, though, make brackets that work according to the existing charger breaks and I think you'll have MORE trucks because they know where they can hang and not get their arse wiped by the upper end of a too-widely-spread-out class.

C'mon, what 2.5" guys wanna run against 2.8"s? I say, don't make 'em.
 
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Here's a thought... now hope everybody is sitting down. Keep the classes we have now, have people read the rules, then re-read them, then build their truck?
 
Timbeaux38 said:
The only problem with 6 classes is that you will have fields of 5 trucks per class. Add to that the fact that every class is going to want a purse and it can strain a budget rather quickly. I read somewhere on here that DHRA has paid almost 40k in purses at the pulls this year. It nmay be easy to come up with $$ to pay back 3 spots in 6 classes for a pull or 2, but it is different on an entire season. I have talked to Eric (DHRA) and Randy (NHRDA) about this very topic and the consensus is that there arent enough sponsor(or gate) dollars to start doubling the # of classes yet. When class size becomes an issue, then it is time to make more classes, but until then, Who wants to see a 5 truck "hot stock, bushing RPM limit" class and a 6 truck "slightly bigger than Hotstock bushing RPM linit class?"
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I agree with the Payout concerns being an issue, and quite possibly the main issue with having so many classes. However, with 50+ trucks in the two lowest classes EACH at the big pulls, there is NOT going to be a shortage of trucks in any of them if its broken up into more classes. Concerns of class participation is a weak argument IMO.


Back to the 2.5 vs 2.6 "debate"... If you go with 2.5, there will be plenty of trucks targeted for that class due to the popularity of that class in other organizations. If you go with a 2.6 class, you'll still most likely have the same number of trucks, just most of them will be 2.5 trucks because that is what they have to be able to pull on a local level. Obviously the exception to that is those that will be setup specifically for running with DHRA in the 2.6 class pretty much exclusively. Question is, why be different when you don't have to be in order to still bring out the trucks?



C-ya
 
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satburn said:
Here's a thought... now hope everybody is sitting down. Keep the classes we have now, have people read the rules, then re-read them, then build their truck?
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Have you pulled at IRP or Scheids in the last year or so? If yes how did you place?
 
satburn said:
Here's a thought... now hope everybody is sitting down. Keep the classes we have now, have people read the rules, then re-read them, then build their truck?
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The reason why all the pullers want a 2.5 class is because the current workstock class is dominated by Dmaxes, which come stock with a 2.5 charger. IMO the 2.8 class is good like it is, but theres waaay to big of a gap between the workstock class and the 2.8 street class. I think the addition of the 2.5/2.6 class would be a great move for the DHRA. Its obvious that its wanted by the pullers.
 
zstroken said:
Have you pulled at IRP or Scheids in the last year or so? If yes how did you place?
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I haven't. I wanted to this year but was unable. I plan to next year after the next round of changes, but am waiting on the outcome of this debate to determine which way to go.

You?
 
teddybear said:
The reason why all the pullers want a 2.5 class is because the current workstock class is dominated by Dmaxes, which come stock with a 2.5 charger. IMO the 2.8 class is good like it is, but theres waaay to big of a gap between the workstock class and the 2.8 street class. I think the addition of the 2.5/2.6 class would be a great move for the DHRA. Its obvious that its wanted by the pullers.
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I see a larger gap within the 2.8 class as opposed to between WS and 2.8. We don't have many WS pulls here in Missouri, but I just realized after going back and reading that this is an additional class and not changing the WS class to a 2.5 class, so there was a mis-understanding on my part. Now my question turns more to what these smaller associations, that at least attempt to emulate DHRA, will do with the potential addition of this class. There's a lot of people that I would think aren't able to follow the entire circuit. So if DHRA creates this class (which my truck would fit in), what of the local pulling circuit that tries to follow DHRA-ish rules? I question their ability to support both classes. I'll let everyone debate it out and guess I'll wait and see which direction it goes...
 
Just another 2 cents on the topic, If DHRA goes with 2.6 rule. alot of local clubs will follow. 2.6 fhw 8000 that make an equal playing field {but in this sport what is Equal} :rules:
 
The idea behind a Work Stock class is to allow guys to pull with their trucks without spending big bucks or voiding their warranties.

Exactly how is building a 700rwhp max effort engine by using a sleeved BigAssCharger going to accomplish that?

Seems the rules must alway favor the Cummins trucks or they are Unfair.

Stock = Stock. No visible mods except perhaps exhaust. Production trucks running tuning and injectors.

No matter what limits you place on any class, there will always be those who say it's too restrictive.
 
satburn said:
I haven't. I wanted to this year but was unable. I plan to next year after the next round of changes, but am waiting on the outcome of this debate to determine which way to go.

You?
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Yes, I have. I didn't pull Scheids this year cause I didn't feel my truck was running well enough to drag it the long haul. Leaving the rules how they are will take some coin to place in the top 10. My finishes have been like 16-24 the last two years, and I know what I have in my stuff, and have a pretty good idea what the top trucks are running. It is more than I want to tie up in a truck. Since I have moved out here the last 2 of the 3 pulls I have been to I have been hurt cause I have had too much power I am used to a good clay track that will make the tires bite. I had one recently that the tires were still squealing at the 150' mark. I will definately say running a local 2.8 class around here is a lot easier than running a 2.8 class in the Indiana/Michigan area.
A 2.6 class will be a 650-700 HP class.
The 2.8 expect 850-950 engine HP to be consistent in the top 10, maybe even more.
 
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