High HP 1998 12 valve

I'll bet the thing that is stopping most people is money. Just my $0.02.
 
The next thing you will need is a trany. We had to built the trany 7 times and had 9 converters this past season. Most of them only lasted one pass.
 
ride42 said:
Really?
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Yes really. I said most not all. If anyone knows how to make 1200 they'd had to be involved, know somone that did, or built something of that degree. And yes money is most likley the biggest factor.
 
displacedtexan said:
So he's got someone else doing the cage etc?
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yes. I told him not to spend the $$$ nhra charges for the chassis cert till he gets close to the number.


$$ i can agree with. It can keep all of us from our dreams for a short time. He can have a bullet proof drivetrain...does it go 9's instantly? Not likely at all. I am not disagreeing that this guy has a STEEP hill to climb to meet his goal. I am trying to be a facilitator of what he is trying to achieve. If he doesn't get parts through me, he will move on and someone else will make the dime.
 
A tranny that will support 1000 hp will cost 7-10K. New turbos to support 1000Hp will cost from 3-5K. A new pump to support 1000HP will cost from 2-4K.
Injectors to support 1000 hp will cost 600 - 1200. Cam, springs, machine work, valvetrain, the list goes on and on could cost anywhere from 2-30K depending on what's done and how reliable the build.


Add it all up and unless your buddy has 30-40K sitting in a bank account ready to blow, you might steer him to a more reasonable goal.

6-700 hp on fuel and 900-1000 on nitrous could be done for much less. No matter what he does to the motor, the tranny build is still going to be expensive.
 
If you do not know what to OFFER your customer for performance parts, it would be in your best interest to let another company like scheids, Industrial, woodruff, WOP, to make that DIME. It seems like that is all your after. So that you do not take advice from EVERYONE here and supply the wrong parts, you are not going to get a list and all these parts need to work in harmony with eachother, My advice is your in OVER YOUR HEAD and you need to be smart and push your customer to a shop that has been building 1000+ trucks so that it does not come back on you when you BLOW his motor or truck up from implementing the wrong parts to him.

You can get pissed or upset all you want but you need to make phone calls and start talking to some real performance CO.'s its the only way to get your real answer and a price tag, many on here will not just give info like that especially when it comes to safety and what vehicle it will be going in, to go 10's he doesnt need ANYWHERE close to that #
 
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I think everyone needs to kick back and actually think about how many ACTUAL 1200 hp motors there are out there. Not near as many as some may think. If this guy wants a motor like that, he will have one of the premier engines in the nation. Your average Joe is NOT going to just buy some parts and nitrous and make 1200 hp. It isn't that easy. You gotta have some $$ to have someone do it or be close enough with someone that has done it that will fix you up. I think your customer needs a reality check honestly. Best of luck on the build.
 
One thing about this thread, and any other with someone seeking advice on something, is as follows:

Good advice is NOT synonymous with being a nice guy. Some people need to learn that more often than not, it's the guy(s) that seem like ass holes that are actually the only ones with the experience to know better, and shoot you straight. The other side of the coin is that more often than not, the ones telling you what you want to hear all the time don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Even though you might view the first as making "wisecracks" and the second as being "helpful"...

What you're looking for is the kind of guy that will tell you when you're F'ing up, not the one that will say it'll be great just to be nice.

I agree with the sentiment that you should either act as a liaison between a shop like Scheids, Garmons or similar and the customer, or just hand them off to a shop like that directly.




(And to be frank, with a guy getting a longblock from ___ shop, injectors/turbo/___ from ___ shop, installing it himself or at ___ shop, all the while trying to make 1000+hp with a hodge-podge mess of parts where NOBODY has a "master-plan" and NOBODY can be held accountable is a 100% NIGHTMARE that should be avoided like the PLAGUE!)
 
I wouldnt just jump to push this build to a big shop, if you think you know whats going on then build it. you think schied,haisley or any other big shop just came out of the woodwork and built 1200hp motors, I think not if the guy is willing to let you build his motor and is under the realization this is your first diesel build then do it, if he says he wants a 1200hp motor that he knows is gonna work then yes maybe you should send it out somewhere else. as far as everything around and 1200hp motor thats not nearly as hard... trans can be had for 7-10k actually that apliscation I would put a linko in it.. I think suncoast is building some crazy stuff right now kind alike a linko..
 
TMONEYDIESEL said:
If you do not know what to OFFER your customer for performance parts, it would be in your best interest to let another company like scheids, Industrial, woodruff, WOP, to make that DIME. It seems like that is all your after. So that you do not take advice from EVERYONE here and supply the wrong parts, you are not going to get a list and all these parts need to work in harmony with eachother, My advice is your in OVER YOUR HEAD and you need to be smart and push your customer to a shop that has been building 1000+ trucks so that it does not come back on you when you BLOW his motor or truck up from implementing the wrong parts to him.

You can get pissed or upset all you want but you need to make phone calls and start talking to some real performance CO.'s its the only way to get your real answer and a price tag, many on here will not just give info like that especially when it comes to safety and what vehicle it will be going in, to go 10's he doesnt need ANYWHERE close to that #
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Not pissed...seriously. Your post on the first page was enough TMONEYDIESEL...thanks. You can post without the OVER YOUR HEAD comments in this one as well, really.

The general concensus I can accept in this thread...and building a customer a healthy 900-1000hp mill (that he can expand on) will have more positive results for those involved in the build. I also don't have a problem working with companies like the ones listed and have contacted 2 of them already, and surprise, they never responded like a few of the people in this thread. They were helpful and willing. Imagine that.
 
Idk I feel another long post coming on.................:hehe:



Glad the shops helped you as they should cause they are High Performance Shops!! I made the OVER YOUR HEAD comment cause I feel it's true and so do a lot of other people, we are trying to help you out so you don't get hosed layer on. Take that for what it's worth
 
TMONEYDIESEL said:
Glad the shops helped you as they should cause they are High Performance Shops!! I made the OVER YOUR HEAD comment cause I feel it's true and so do a lot of other people, we are trying to help you out so you don't get hosed layer on. Take that for what it's worth
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Meh, I personally don't think he will get hosed. It sounds like wheelsuplx is simply supplying parts to a customer. Even if this customer's truck never even comes close to making the requested hp number it is easy enough to just blame it on the owner and his or his tuners ability, regardless of whether or not the parts are actually 1200hp capable.

You can't blame a guy for trying to make a buck. It is the American way. Look at all the other supposed diesel shops out there who do no more than push whatever products have the biggest profit margins. There is one in town here that will even admit that they do this. At least wheelsuplx is honest that he doesn't know what it is going to take, but I certainly wouldn't be consulting a bunch of guys on a web forum about it if I were him.

If wheelsuplx's customer is coming to him asking him for advice on what parts he is going to need to make 1200hp and top that off by having yet another shop or himself install and tune the parts he is stupid and in trouble anyway. Hopefully wheelsuplx has been able to read his customer and determine how much of a headache any future dealings with him will be, which is why I am very careful about who I do work for.

As far as the question goes, I don't know what you'd need to make that kind of power. I'd suggest talking to one of the big shops that can supply all the critical components, or at least make appropriate suggestions on what to use.
 
I just wish I could sell him all the converters he's gonna melt. LOL
 
UNBROKEN said:
I just wish I could sell him all the converters he's gonna melt. LOL
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A bolt together converter or the willingness to cut your own apart would go a long way there...

It would still suck to have to pull the trans that frequently though.
 
I had a small shop build my first motor, with all the promises of having a 1000+ hp. Bought a new block, billet cam, valve train, had my turbos already and spent 15K plus and the motor did not even make a full 1/8th mi. pass. I got told to bad so sad because he did not have the capitol to replace it. I then went to talked to Dan Scheid and had a motor built with no problems what so ever.

Moral of the story is: Bigger is not always better but more knowledgeable is:poke:
 
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