PPE HOT will be my next atempt to reach

full pull said:
OK if you where only @ 802 with the SMARTY and thought switching to the PPE was going to add 200hp thats just crazy. Id say you need some other mods, not a different tuner.

I thought you where alot closer to 1k than that, like 960+ then maybe a diffent tuner might get you the extra hp.

Sorry you didnt make it. Good comparrison though.
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Dud, he was there.... SnaFu happened
 
Ok I get it he was closer, that was the smarty # from the same day....gotcha
 
EPA Violator said:
I am convinced these big injectors are flooding things out early and the turbos can never catch up.
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I'd have to agree. It's like if your at 1800 in 6th and drop the peddle, you sit and smoke, if you go 1/4 throttle and wait for boost, you get moving quicker. The problem is, I don't wanna have to think about "throttle position" when I need/want to go fast. Down shifting if need be is enough for me in a manual to deal with when your in traffic and you need to maneuver ya know.

I had a big old post beating on the lack of tuning. But I figured I'd have my HTT waste gate "working" before I make any assumptions.

With a 64 charger and 150hp sticks and plenty of pump, Would Software 5 even be too much software? I need to find some dyno time soon after this gate is fixed.
 
let me share my mods.

2005 6speed
South bend 3600 12cb dd
Full built motor, cunningham rods, o-ringed, balanced, h2 cam, F1 springs, 15:1 compression
Flux 5.1's
S500 88mm compressor wheel 154lbs per min
External 50mm gate
S300 71/73/13ss HTT
Dual pumps, bottom pump is a Floor it stage 2, top stock duramax
Mitusa gusher
Smarty/PPE

My numbers are what they are. I have tried the Smarty tune over and over, data logged the runs..analyzed things to death.
Bottom line today and last 3 times is I make no power after 32-3300 rpm.
Turbos lite late with the Smarty, once I have 40lbs on the bottom charger it pulls crazy and then just stops pulling and my curve is straight.
PPE lites 300 rpm sooner, stops making power at 3000rpm.
Tried the TST/Smarty deal, pressure boxes :blahblah1:

Fact of the matter and I think we can all agree, the electronics is some way shape or form are preventing anything big after 3000 rpm. Maybe its duration, timing, whatever.
I'm not going to beat my engine on the rollers.

As it stands I have the PPE loaded as it runs better in my truck.:rockwoot:
 
Well thanks for all the input dude. Some sweet numbers no matter which way ya look at it.
 
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This is what you should be looking at......This is one of Tim's runs, the 03-04's got something on us, thats for sure.......

Still though, manages to make that 1k close to the 3K, and look how long it pulls it for....
 
onetun said:
let me share my mods.

2005 6speed
South bend 3600 12cb dd
Full built motor, cunningham rods, o-ringed, balanced, h2 cam, F1 springs, 15:1 compression
Flux 5.1's
S500 88mm compressor wheel 154lbs per min
External 50mm gate
S300 71/73/13ss HTT
Dual pumps, bottom pump is a Floor it stage 2, top stock duramax
Mitusa gusher
Smarty/PPE

My numbers are what they are. I have tried the Smarty tune over and over, data logged the runs..analyzed things to death.
Bottom line today and last 3 times is I make no power after 32-3300 rpm.
Turbos lite late with the Smarty, once I have 40lbs on the bottom charger it pulls crazy and then just stops pulling and my curve is straight.
PPE lites 300 rpm sooner, stops making power at 3000rpm.
Tried the TST/Smarty deal, pressure boxes :blahblah1:

Fact of the matter and I think we can all agree, the electronics is some way shape or form are preventing anything big after 3000 rpm. Maybe its duration, timing, whatever.
I'm not going to beat my engine on the rollers.

As it stands I have the PPE loaded as it runs better in my truck.:rockwoot:
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Thanks for sharing your info with us.

Could it be that your chargers are simply too big?

I'm running flux 4's on sw9 with two stock pumps and with source automotive 64-71-14/ standard S480, it clears up all the smoke and can barely see 1350 on the street. This is approximately 70lbs boost on the street and about 60 on the rollers. Overall boost, primary boost, and EGTs are way on the mild side, leading me to think that I could use even bigger injectors or even more duration than sw9/mp8 100%.

Just throwing it out there. Take it for what it's worth. My truck is an 04.5/6 speed.

Are you 100% sure that your pumps are good?
Could the cam/compression be screwing up the combo?
 
onetun said:
let me share my mods.

2005 6speed
South bend 3600 12cb dd
Full built motor, cunningham rods, o-ringed, balanced, h2 cam, F1 springs, 15:1 compression
Flux 5.1's
S500 88mm compressor wheel 154lbs per min
External 50mm gate
S300 71/73/13ss HTT
Dual pumps, bottom pump is a Floor it stage 2, top stock duramax
Mitusa gusher
Smarty/PPE

My numbers are what they are. I have tried the Smarty tune over and over, data logged the runs..analyzed things to death.
Bottom line today and last 3 times is I make no power after 32-3300 rpm.
Turbos lite late with the Smarty, once I have 40lbs on the bottom charger it pulls crazy and then just stops pulling and my curve is straight.
PPE lites 300 rpm sooner, stops making power at 3000rpm.
Tried the TST/Smarty deal, pressure boxes :blahblah1:

Fact of the matter and I think we can all agree, the electronics is some way shape or form are preventing anything big after 3000 rpm. Maybe its duration, timing, whatever.
I'm not going to beat my engine on the rollers.

As it stands I have the PPE loaded as it runs better in my truck.:rockwoot:
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Why such a big top charger? You could make all the power you need with a 64 or a 66. I'm sure it would be faster also. That 70 wheel doesn't have that good of a map on it. If i remember, a silver bullet would flow more air. I thought Pius was kinda crazy when he said i could force 1000 hp worth of air through a 62/65/12 (external gated). He was being conservative. We pushed enough for 1,100+. Granted i was intercooled in between, but a slightly larger charger should make up for that. I just wanted a large turbo setup that was stupid fast to light.

On a couple of trucks we have had on the dyno, we would pick up as much as 40-70 hp just playing with the correct boost numbers. What is your overall boost and what is the big charger boost at peak overall? On my truck, my 510 would only make 26 lbs of boost. On the 500 series BW, the map runs out at about 35 psi on a twin setup.

Another trick we did the other day picked up 30 hp over a pressure box also.

I don't think lower compression helps much at all really. If anything it might be hurting you because you need the added boost to make up for the compression loss.

These are just a couple of things that come to mind. Hope some of this might help.
 
jlibert said:
Thanks for sharing your info with us.

Could it be that your chargers are simply too big?

I'm running flux 4's on sw9 with two stock pumps and with source automotive 64-71-14/ standard S480, it clears up all the smoke and can barely see 1350 on the street. This is approximately 70lbs boost on the street and about 60 on the rollers. Overall boost, primary boost, and EGTs are way on the mild side, leading me to think that I could use even bigger injectors or even more duration than sw9/mp8 100%.

Just throwing it out there. Take it for what it's worth. My truck is an 04.5/6 speed.

Are you 100% sure that your pumps are good?
Could the cam/compression be screwing up the combo?
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You beat me.
 
I appreciate all the feedback. When someone with an 04.5-05 reaches some numbers like I'm trying for I will be all ears.
Yes my chargers may be on the big side for 800-900, but 1000 hp is the goal.
I made 865 with a 64 over 480, this is nothing new. This was done with the exact same programming we use today.

I question the fact that the 71 is too larger for the numbers I'm chasing. I would be interested to learn more about this.
Rob
 
WUnderwood said:
I think you need more tuning...

how much total boost are you seeing on the dyno?
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75-78lbs
Man its like I hit 78lbs at 2700rpm and it just stays there and starts to drop on the top end. In theory if the boost continued to climb the numbers would follow. Chargers once fully lit should not hinder the climb/ if the gates are not opening. I can hear through the exhaust the secondary gate opening..but this needs to happen > right?
 
You're in the same boat as jepling he can't get his 07 over that plateau either. He's tried almost every combination of tuner except bully dog so far. Diablo with rkl made the same as tnt on his truck. Have you tried any of the bully dog programs? On the 07 I sold to my buddy 2.4D runs better than smarty tnt. It lites the single quicker and makes more total boost and pulls all the way to 3700 when I drove it a couple weeks ago.
 
mdavlee said:
You're in the same boat as jepling he can't get his 07 over that plateau either. He's tried almost every combination of tuner except bully dog so far. Diablo with rkl made the same as tnt on his truck. Have you tried any of the bully dog programs? On the 07 I sold to my buddy 2.4D runs better than smarty tnt. It lites the single quicker and makes more total boost and pulls all the way to 3700 when I drove it a couple weeks ago.
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I agree, I am nowhere close to your hp range but you might try the 2.4.d it does spool my turbo a lot faster and I do get more boost and will carry to about 3700-3750 and then die off. I go back and forth between bullydog and smarty tnt/r and both work great but every truck is different. I just seems to get too much fuel down low with the smarty and it chokes out but there is only 10hp difference on the dyno with bd on top. Every truck is different so it might be worth a try but I don't think you'll see that much difference. All the programmers seem to be very close to each other when it comes to power they just seem to do it different ways IMO
 
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