Replacing the 6.4 with a 24v Cummins???

I think Beans Diesel has swapped a couple, but don't quote me. I know they are a dealer for destroked as well
 
roachie said:
I fail at seeing why VP's are bad.
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I was going to say this as well, I have really liked all of my VP trucks, i have owned 2 nice 12 valves, 3 VP trucks and one common rail. I actually sold my 3rd gen, I wanted a 2nd gen again.
 
I like my 6.4 for work. If you have never driven a tuned 6.4 and got used to the smooth power I would say go do a swap.

I do love my 6.4 but working on it sucks hard. Why not a CR 24v??


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I have had my ass handed to me by 300 Spartan RCLB F250, I smocked him off the light pulling out hard as I don't think a truck as heavy as the ford can cut a sub 1.8 on the light and the IFS GM trucks pulling 1.6 consistent, and he started pullin hard he had half a truck lengh on me and he was pulling still.

All in all I would own a 6.4 if the price was right, but I would still prefer the old six in a row
 
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im way late on this topic, but i think its an awesome idea... i think that the ford engine bay is just smaller. the motor is in the same spot, but i think they made the cab forward to make it bigger. if you do this swap i think youll have the same problem, cant get to anything because the engine bay is smaller. just my thoughts. but my 05 dodge i could sit in the engine bay and work it, and my new 08 ford you cant even find a hole to spit on the gound.... but the ford is ALOT nicer and rides much better.
 
99-current ford's use the same cab, engine bay dimensions are identical. Things under the hood just got crowded.
 
k.marlatt said:
im way late on this topic, but i think its an awesome idea... i think that the ford engine bay is just smaller. the motor is in the same spot, but i think they made the cab forward to make it bigger. if you do this swap i think youll have the same problem, cant get to anything because the engine bay is smaller. just my thoughts. but my 05 dodge i could sit in the engine bay and work it, and my new 08 ford you cant even find a hole to spit on the gound.... but the ford is ALOT nicer and rides much better.
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based on the mods in your sig..a 6.4 with intake and tuner would bust your ass like no other. food for thought.
 
Hell a tuned 6.0 with a auto trans will bust his azz considering he is driving a hand shaker.
 
i got rid of that dodge about 2 months ago, but yes it was no speed deamon. ran pretty good, and would pull a house (and get 24 mpg empty).

i bought an 08 f350, and am about to order intake, dpf/cat delte/ and h&s xrt pro.... im hoping that this ford will be a little quicker, but not wanting a drag racer either, more chasing mpg's.
 
back to topic, the engine bay looks smaller to me. but i agree it did get pretty crowded. but i love the idea of a 24v cr (maybe an 02 motor) put in a ford. use only the motor from a dodge, and the trans from a ford. that would be a pretty good combo.
 
SINNER said:
Dyno sheet or I call BS :poke: I know how you Pennsyltuckians calculate HP. LMFAO

And you homos better have those pissbagging towels ready again this year, because you know you can not beat the Ravens again.
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roachie said:
I fail at seeing why VP's are bad.
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rollincoalCTD said:
I was going to say this as well, I have really liked all of my VP trucks, i have owned 2 nice 12 valves, 3 VP trucks and one common rail. I actually sold my 3rd gen, I wanted a 2nd gen again.
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i agree with the above. i have had a vp since day one. did the cr, did the 12v. now 12v is where its at but trust me, with a good pump, you can have a 20mpg 450hp vp daily driving truck. my blue dualie was at 700 at the wheels and i drove that truck everyday i had it. put 46,980 miles on it with well over 500hp the entire time. granted i did lose the usual things when i first played with it like a flexplate and a head gasket but other than that, it was a great running everyday driver that was dependable. on the other hand, the current reg cap vp truck i drive now has went threw 2 pumps already. bad designe from the start? yes. are there infact dependable good running vp trucks? yes. just have to get the right pump lol. i do have to say, those 6.4s sure seem to be running very well with a tuner but like others have stated, its nice to be able to work on my own junk and know i dont have to spend 5 hours on a leaking valve cover gasket.
 
smaller bay because the cab is huge, but I bet you could work on a cummins much easier in a Ford than the 6.4.

That 6.4 with the H and S will impress you big time.
 
I think it is funny as to how you guys sit there and begrudge a 6.4, you spill "facts" that have no basis, just because you dont like fords or whatever. The true facts are this, with a 6.4 you can have 600 hp at the wheels for $1200. You can not do that with a dodge or a chevy period. With a ford the 5r110 will handle 600 hp all day long, every day. Neither a 48re or a Allison will handle 500 hp stock. The 6.4 is way way quieter than either the duramax or cummins. I get a real world 25 MPG (imperial gallon) hand calculated, and I can run low 13's without banging on it (no boosted launch) If I was to bang on it I know that I could run a high 12. Tell me what mods you would have to do with a dodge or a chevy and run 12's, certainly more than 1200 bucks.

As for repairs, every one out there breaks down, I dont care what luck you have had with your particular ride, every brand has those similar stories, I know guys that have POS 6.0's with over 500k on them. And we all know that the 6.0 was not a good engine in a ford.

I have a unique posistion, as that I have owned all brands, and have experience modding all of them.

I can say this with all certainty, this ford is the best truck I have ever owned. The fit and finish is the best, the ride quality is amazing ( I admit not as good as the chev, but I also have not had to do a wheel alignment on it yet either, I was on 2 with the chev by this mileage) but heads and tails above the dodge.

In summary, I think it would be a monumental waste of money to change out a 6.4 and put in any other engine. It would cost 12 grand minimum to do the swap, and you wouldnt have the same power, smoothness and as always when you do mods like that there is going to be lots of little bugs to work out.
 
morkable said:
I think it is funny as to how you guys sit there and begrudge a 6.4, you spill "facts" that have no basis, just because you dont like fords or whatever. The true facts are this, with a 6.4 you can have 600 hp at the wheels for $1200. You can not do that with a dodge or a chevy period. With a ford the 5r110 will handle 600 hp all day long, every day. Neither a 48re or a Allison will handle 500 hp stock. The 6.4 is way way quieter than either the duramax or cummins. I get a real world 25 MPG (imperial gallon) hand calculated, and I can run low 13's without banging on it (no boosted launch) If I was to bang on it I know that I could run a high 12. Tell me what mods you would have to do with a dodge or a chevy and run 12's, certainly more than 1200 bucks.

As for repairs, every one out there breaks down, I dont care what luck you have had with your particular ride, every brand has those similar stories, I know guys that have POS 6.0's with over 500k on them. And we all know that the 6.0 was not a good engine in a ford.

I have a unique posistion, as that I have owned all brands, and have experience modding all of them.

I can say this with all certainty, this ford is the best truck I have ever owned. The fit and finish is the best, the ride quality is amazing ( I admit not as good as the chev, but I also have not had to do a wheel alignment on it yet either, I was on 2 with the chev by this mileage) but heads and tails above the dodge.

In summary, I think it would be a monumental waste of money to change out a 6.4 and put in any other engine. It would cost 12 grand minimum to do the swap, and you wouldnt have the same power, smoothness and as always when you do mods like that there is going to be lots of little bugs to work out.
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Exactly, i could not agree with you more.
I have done the cummins swap thing, it was fun and different 4 or so years ago when i did it. But i have done the normal big 3 on 3 different 6.4 trucks and the power, smoothness, and even fuel milage if driven correctly after the mods is right up there. The last 6.4 i did put down 581 hp and i beleive around 1100 foot pounds
 
If money was no object I would build a 6.4L. For reliable big hp the Cummins is the way to go in my opinion. You can buy a whole good running 12v truck for what it costs to put big turbos and head studs on a 6.4L. Just my opinion.

Maybe in a couple years when the aftermarket gets more experience with broken 6.4L trucks I would change my opinion, but right now it seems like there are a significant number of 6.4L warranty service claims where techs just throw parts at it - ie, shortblock, entire injection system, entire valvetrain, etc, as well as a lot of different opinions on what failures are caused by what. Again, just my 2 cents.

Once the trucks all come out of warranty and people that really care about finding the root cause of failures for less $ find solutions things will be better.

Don't mean to insult the good dealer techs out there, but you good guys know and work with the type I'm talking about.
 
roachie said:
99-current ford's use the same cab, engine bay dimensions are identical. Things under the hood just got crowded.
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08+ have different fenders and the hoods are higher. There is more room under the hood on an 08-10 than a '99 to '07. The '11s have even more room again.

FWIW, I'm putting a Cummins 6.7 into an 08. I already have a '99 with an 5.9 CR.

Swaps cost a lot less than people think, especially if you are handy at fabricating.
 
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IMHO the 6.4 is a damn strong motor, hell my truck with a single 72 on stock inj made 947 with one stage, and our other single turbo truck has made 1088 on one stage with a bone stock motor other than studs, that truck is also daily driven and beaten every day. @7800lbs has been 7.02 in the 1/8th @101, not bad if you ask me. and that truck has made just around 900 on fuel with a smaller setup
 
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