EFILive Beta First Impressions

Above 3k rpms the 07 defuel badly. theres a huge thread on the smarty section about it. they havent worked on it in over a year. at 2100 rpm my truck makes 918hp and 65psi or so as soon as i hit 3k it drops 15-20psi and will make 650 no matter which smarty tune i run or setting or anything. My truck is designed to pull in the 2.6 class thats why iam realy wanting efi so itll full fuel and make power above 3k and make alot more at 4k-4200rpms
 
Marco.

There's this attitude around you and bob. That's why your in the spot light. Yeah, your product at this point is time is the best. But there's a reason why DMAX trucks with serious power only use efilive.

The TNT-R thing. ha. If your in the cool group, you can have it! The half ass answers in regards to timing and power levels. Even with the SSR. The lack of email or PM response, except if your bashing someone like John Issacs, I got those PM's back real quick, where are my technical answers?.

Sure, it's your product, sure you can do as you wish. It's a free world, kinda, sorta.... But if you wonder why you lose way to many high end trucks to EFI, you know why.

I look forward the day I can mash the throttle and just go and not look behind to make sure grandma didn't inhale to much smoke and croak.

BTW, this isn't a "big injector big turbo" problem. When my truck was mostly stock it smoked like a freight train on any tune but stock, but back then it was cool. :)

BTW, I can account for about 10 referrals to but a smarty over the years. You're welcome! :)

This response was around the fact that I think you came off like an ass in this thread. I've always been nice, but damn dude.
 
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With all due respect...

I think EFI deserves for the Smarty talk to be taken to another thread...

Starting with me... I engaged in it too and for that, I appoligize...

Lets let EFI have their thread back...



Mods may want to create at " Smarty vs EFI" thread and move the appropriate post into it...


Just my

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I'm excited about BOTH to be honest....They both have their Place in the Market!!
 
And to add just one more thing..

Folks may want to remove the "Smarty" related TAGS so as Not to provoke in an EFI thread...

Just a thought...
 
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I think current results of the beta testers speak for themselves. I don't think there is a need to compare EFI live to Smarty at all... Marco made some valid points. For some people having simplicity is more important than drivability.

Now that there is an up and coming alternative though, many of the people who haven't had the choice will likely at least test the waters. The Duramax crowd has enjoyed the world of EFI Live for years (and constant ribbing from the Dodge crowd along the lines of "If I had EFI Live you wouldn't beat me!", etc...)....

Point is, there's an option now. The one size fits all is going to be a thing of the past in very short order. Is this bad? No. Competition is a good thing, whether it be in electronics or at the track....

I think outright bashing a named product, or trying to make people feel too stupid to do anything but plug in a box and follow the prompts on the screen isn't a wise business move either. I think some people will definitely resent that.

I also think that EFI Live is going to be a HUGE learning curve for the Dodge crowd in general, but most of them that are curious about it at all have good reason to be. Whether they decide to tune their own trucks or pay a tuner to do it - having access to the tunes and the felxibility will be a world of experience they've never had before.....

Marco made mention of sensors that are slow to respond, or only read to certain PSI, etc... but guess what? There ARE sensors out there that can be bought that will read to HUGE numbers, and can be SCALED in EFI to match their signal output. I know for a fact on this with the Duramaxes. Same thing with the Gassers that EFI allows a person to tune.

Point is, the WHOLE game is changing now, for the benefit of the Dodge crowd. I think coming in and making a stink against us testers or even potential EFI customers is truly a poor business decision. There will still be a large demand for his products and others... switching tunes on the fly (for now) like with Edge, etc... all these things have their market and audience.... Now there's an alternative that is particularly suited to the high end trucks, and most all of the modified trucks in the Dodge world - SAFER use and building of that power will be possible. The "one size fits all" restriction is being removed....

I think it would be best for Marco to focus on his audience instead of the people he (admittedly) cannot produce a product for.

That's my two cents. sorry for the length.
 
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Marco made mention of sensors that are slow to respond, or only read to certain PSI, etc... but guess what? There ARE sensors out there that can be bought that will read to HUGE numbers, and can be SCALED in EFI to match their signal output. I know for a fact on this with the Duramaxes. Same thing with the Gassers that EFI allows a person to tune.

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This is grand news, indeed!

I was very curious if we'd have this ability. Thanks for making it known, Zach.
(or is it Zack? LOL)

P.S. This is Chuck, if you didn't already know.
 
When EFI Live came to the Duramax did everyone stop buying tuners and get EFI Live? No. In fact I still get calls about pricing for Bully Dogs and PPEs. I tell them about EFI Live, but sometimes people just have to experience and compare them side by side. In a mostly stock truck the average tuners have some good tunes in their products. It's when you get into big injector and turbo trucks that custom tuning really stands above everyone else. So just because EFI Live is gonna be tuning the Cummins I don't see everyone dropping the Smarty and Edges for it. Those that know EFI Live or know someone that tunes well with it will most likely switch. As far as the data logging goes I know the MAP sensor always gets maxed out as well as the the FRP sensor can. We usually run the rail pressure with in the limits of the sensor. We are monitoring injector pulse width, timing in main injection and pilot, rpms, FRP desired vs actual, Throttle postition, etc. This lets us fine tune our tunes and solve any problems we might come across. So in the custom trucks data logging is a necessity when it comes to getting the most out of the parts you have instead of shooting blindly and hoping the tune changes made work.
 
we will watch and see. Currently in the beta the ability is not there YET.... however, i'm sure it's to come.... We have only a basic set of tables (many of them shown earlier in this thread).... as we were testing to make sure that things were going to work properly before we went hog wild....

There will be many many tables i suspect that get opened up for us in time. Even in the Dmax world we did not just start with everyting (and i was late joining the game!).... The software will evolve, and many many things that were never even considered outside of stand-alone ECMs will now be very likely possibilities.

If sensors are really slow to respond, EFI giving us the ability to log will be able to help prove that point out... and then there will be a market for a better sensor. Maybe it will need to scale, maybe it won't. My point is, LOTS of the little things that have just been accepted up til now, will start to change. The market will change, product offerings will change...

Again... this process is still very early, but the testers have had very good results with their trucks so far as reported on by Rob, Bobo and others.... Very exciting times!
 
I realize EFI hasn't started working on the 6.7's yet but, is there any insight on whether or not we'll need a different tuner to turn off the egr/emmissions bull sh1t. Or will EFI take care of that too?
 
M_Thomas07 said:
I realize EFI hasn't started working on the 6.7's yet but, is there any insight on whether or not we'll need a different tuner to turn off the egr/emmissions bull sh1t. Or will EFI take care of that too?
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EFI has given us those options for years, I see the cummins as no different.
 
M_Thomas07 said:
I realize EFI hasn't started working on the 6.7's yet but, is there any insight on whether or not we'll need a different tuner to turn off the egr/emmissions bull sh1t. Or will EFI take care of that too?
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EFI Live will most likely be able to do that. We have control over it with the LMM Duramax.
 
Marco said:
1) Downloader: serve the broadest range possible of customers. Obvious, with a one size fits all software you can not make happy everybody. That's the reason my toys have several power levels and I offer several different software's. Still, I can not meet ALL expetations, YET.
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This comment right here seriously confuses me. You start off by saying it is the best thing for the most people, but then in the very same breath you say you can't make everyone happy.

With EFILive, the tune can be tailored to the truck it is going on, and I promise you, in the right hands, it CAN make everyone happy. How does the Smarty serve a broader range of customers? If the person doesn't want to write their own tune, they just buy a tune from one of the many professional tuners out there.
 
JoshH said:
This comment right here seriously confuses me. You start off by saying it is the best thing for the most people, but then in the very same breath you say you can't make everyone happy.

With EFILive, the tune can be tailored to the truck it is going on, and I promise you, in the right hands, it CAN make everyone happy. How does the Smarty serve a broader range of customers? If the person doesn't want to write their own tune, they just buy a tune from one of the many professional tuners out there.
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The point here that should be extrapolated from this comment is that Bob and Macro do not have access to directly test software changes on any vehciales built for any real hp. These tuners do. These tuners daily drive 1000hp vehicles with big injectors and turbo's. Last i head, bob owns a gasser and Macro, you have something quick don't ya?

In a nut shell, more trucks, more minds, more fingers more dynos more testing, more approaches to tune, done faster with efilive is now possible.

As for the data logging, even logging "stock" stuff has been useful when fixing a few small issues on my stock TDI motored TDI when I was tuning it. I'd say it works ok there. :)
 
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This is all to familiar to me. I was one of the first trucks with a valair clutch. I reported my findings and all of the SB people got all upset and peter himself got involved. That was a risk on my part for going with a "knock off" brand at the time. It worked I reported it and he sold 1 million dollars in clutches soon there after. This agrument is a no brainer EFI is going smash not just the smarty but all others. The main reason is because its going to be a collective effort. Thousand of heads put together with one common goal go fast, increase mpg, lower smoke output etc. Marco if you could do this to why didnt you? I have been around this game since 98 and seen the top dog get knocked off many times. I will list some folks that should bring us back in time: Piers (with the HX popping 40's), diesel dynamics, DTT (the single disc is better that triple disc) Edge (thought the pressure box would make common rail guys happy for 2 years) and TST (got lax) and many many more. Now here we sit with the smarty vs the EFI. The winner is should be clear. The diesel industry doesnt sit still. I would guess cheap LNG set ups are next with plasma fired injectors on the horizon.

I have a smarty downloaded now and its great but I will sell it for $300 when the EFI is ready :)

Ok back to the subject at hand. Just to have my truck not pushing through the brakes after a hard run will be worth buying this item.
 
CATCRACKER said:
This is all to familiar to me. I was one of the first trucks with a valair clutch. I reported my findings and all of the SB people got all upset and peter himself got involved. That was a risk on my part for going with a "knock off" brand at the time. It worked I reported it and he sold 1 million dollars in clutches soon there after. This agrument is a no brainer EFI is going smash not just the smarty but all others. The main reason is because its going to be a collective effort. Thousand of heads put together with one common goal go fast, increase mpg, lower smoke output etc. Marco if you could do this to why didnt you? I have been around this game since 98 and seen the top dog get knocked off many times. I will list some folks that should bring us back in time: Piers (with the HX popping 40's), diesel dynamics, DTT (the single disc is better that triple disc) Edge (thought the pressure box would make common rail guys happy for 2 years) and TST (got lax) and many many more. Now here we sit with the smarty vs the EFI. The winner is should be clear. The diesel industry doesnt sit still. I would guess cheap LNG set ups are next with plasma fired injectors on the horizon.

I have a smarty downloaded now and its great but I will sell it for $300 when the EFI is ready :)

Ok back to the subject at hand. Just to have my truck not pushing through the brakes after a hard run will be worth buying this item.
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Damn...CATCRACKER is here!!!


Long time name from the TDR and DTR. You and I have been around along time and those DTT ATS battles were infamous! Good to see you here. As always it is fun to read your posts.

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I'm glad to see guy's like Bob and Rob are working on the issues we have been having whether it be defueling,throttle hang etc...and this is just the beginning.I'm looking forward to getting my truck back together and see what this summer brings.
 
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