Post 60' Times, Manual Transmission

Hey fellas I need some advice fast on how to launch better with my 6 speed. Were going to the drags this weekend and I've gotta beat my little brothers spartaned 08 ford. Having a huge issue with either bogging it down or spinning through 5 gears. I need some tips. I'm thinking about trying a 4x4 launch but would rather not.

If ya'll could give me some tips and advice on how to launch better I'd appreciate it a lot
 
gecoveyc said:
Hey fellas I need some advice fast on how to launch better with my 6 speed. Were going to the drags this weekend and I've gotta beat my little brothers spartaned 08 ford. Having a huge issue with either bogging it down or spinning through 5 gears. I need some tips. I'm thinking about trying a 4x4 launch but would rather not.

If ya'll could give me some tips and advice on how to launch better I'd appreciate it a lot
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Why are you worried about launching in 4? You ain't gonna hurt anything. Well you might hurt the trans if your launch is too rough. And if you do it one to many times, but the frontend will be fine if that is what you're worried about.

Unless his truck is just slow, I don't see how else you are going to get him.
 
Sandaholic said:
Why are you worried about launching in 4? You ain't gonna hurt anything. Well you might hurt the trans if your launch is too rough. And if you do it one to many times, but the frontend will be fine if that is what you're worried about.

Unless his truck is just slow, I don't see how else you are going to get him.
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Ok so how should I go about 4x4 launching. 2nd or 3rd gear. What do i need to do with the pedals in order to stall it up and get it to launch good.
 
Just free rev the motor to 3400 rpm or so in 2nd gear and let out of the clutch a little slower than normal. When you get the clutch release perfect, you won't shock load the drivetrain so hard that you get front wheel hop/bounce but instead you will rocket off the line.

For a 3rd gear launch, you will have to ride the clutch more and take a full second letting out of the pedal. If you let out too quickly you will bog the motor.

There really is no need to do a "boosted launch." If you free rev the motor high enough and develop a little skill on clutch release, there is no need to try to 3 pedal your truck, heat up the clutch, just to build a few extra PSI boost.

On my truck with 3rd gen turbo, 3800 rpm free rev is 6-8 psi boost anyway.
 
gecoveyc said:
Ok so how should I go about 4x4 launching. 2nd or 3rd gear. What do i need to do with the pedals in order to stall it up and get it to launch good.
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This is what worked for me. I just copied my post to a guy off of cummins forum.

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I've seen threads that share this same topic and the answers are just as different as the guys that give 'em. Some guys use 2nd some 3rd some slip the clutch some dump it. You just gotta get out there and try it all. I toyed with the heel toe idea, but it just didn't work out. I try and get staged first. Gives you an extra second or 2. I blip the throttle up to I don't know 2200-2500 or so. And by blip I mean stab the throttle and let off repeatedly and keep the r's hovering. If you just hold the throttle steady it doesn't seem to build that small amount of boost. When it gets to that last yellow I come off the clutch and stab the throttle. Seems to work fairly well. Warning it is extremely hard on the trans! I mean everything's hard on stuff, but this was bad I was hopping like mad! Traction bars really woulda been nice. I ended up with a broken output shaft on my 13th run.

So after the launch I no lift shift (not lifting off the throttle, but I do stab the clutch pedal) the rest of the way down the track. Well that's not entirely true I was having a really tough time not lifting from 2nd to 3rd. For whatever reason I just kept lifting I also was shifting out of 5th too early. I probably could have just run it out in 5th. That's where a data logger would be nice. Give you an idea of what the heck you're doing.
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That was my first experience at the track, and I thought it went fairly well......if we avoid looking at the breakage anyway :bang

The way I ran it was good enough to get my 8000lb truck down the track in 13.88 I dyno'ed the other day and apparently I'm only making 420 HP? Doesn't jive with the HP Calculator on the site here. So I must have done something right, or the dyno was way off. The HP number was slightly disappointing, but I'm okay with the timeslip........for now :Cheer:

Looks like if you can get a launch figured out you should be laying down some good times with the amount of power your mods should be netting you! Good luck, can't wait to hear how you did :rockwoot:
 
I used to use the E brake befor i put the line loc in, Put it third gear, set the ebrake in the first lite, Bring the r's up as high as yu need, use the clutch to bump in the second light with out letting the r's fall to much, once your in the second lite (with right hand on the wheel, and left on the e brake release) Hold the R's up with a very lite load on the clutch (you dont wanna burn it up) Just enough load to keep it from shoking the drive line when you launch. when the third yellow lights, mat the throttle,pop the brake, and let the clutch out as quick as you can but dont just dump it. A third gear launch should get you through the 60' mark and give you plenty of time to get you hand back on the shifter! Using this method Ive gottn plenty of 1.7x 60's and never broke a thing and have had obout 100 launches on both clutches!

Vid of a launch doing it this way, this was a 1.77 60' IIRC!
YouTube - Dmax zf6 @drag race
 
I'll have to try that sometime! Sounds semi-complicated, but anything that's easier on the drivetrain is worth a shot. What's your truck weigh and were you racin' on 245/16's?
 
i am not sure what my times are i belive about 1.85 60" i am launching at 3500 to 3800 rpm 3rd gear in a 5speed making some where in the 400hp range my time was an 8.93 1/8 mile at 80mph i sometime go screw with the import cars and i launch so hard on them they give up before haft track i love 3rd gear launches just have to have the RPM UP^^^^ Front wheel drive Ricers will FEAR you launching on them taking three to four lengths right off the line
 
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I added a few 6o ft. times that were posted and changed my Hp

Name, 60' Time, 4x4 or 4x2, Gear Launch, Tire Size, Est Hp, Clutch

msmisery 1.120 60 ft , 3.027 - 3.32 330 ft , 4.70 in the 1/8 , 4x4 taking off in second gear in the liberty
DIESELGUY84-1.607, 4x4, 3rd, 305/75/18 Toyo Proxies, 507, Valair 3850# DD.
Lostnwalmart - 1.68, 4x4, 3rd gear, 305/75/18 Toyo Proxies, 605, Valair DD
4WARNED - 1.69, 4x4, 2nd gear, 265/70/16 Toyo Proxies, 500+, SBC DD
05_lly - 1.71, 4x4, 3rd gear, 245 factory bridgestone, 500ish, SBC DD
Jff24Gordn - 1.78, 4x4, 2nd gear, 285 AT, a lot, HMR Street Drag DD
RobertP-1.8, 4x4, 3rd gear, 285 AT, 691hp, SBC DD,12.91 1/4-fuel only
03dodgeoffroad - 1.8, 4x4, 2nd, 285, hp?,valair fermic
Big Blue24 - 1.86, 4x4, 2nd, 285 AT, 499, Valair 13" FE
95civic2005 - 1.88, 4x4, 2nd, 33" Michelin, 476hp, Valair Single Ceramic
Slick Willie, 1.888, 4x4, 1st, 37" x 13.50" x 18", 500 +, Dual Disc 3600#
Sandaholic - 1.892, 4x4, 2nd, 315/70/17 BFG AT's, dyno says 421 Hp, Spec DD
Gunracer1 - 1.90, 4x4, 3rd, tires dually, 500+hp, SB DD
01smoker, 1.90, 4x4, 2nd gear 20psi, 285 toyo a/t, 500hp+, SBC DD
GLHS - 1.94, 4x4, 2nd, 265 Michelins, 455 hp, South Bend FE single
Timebomb - 2.00, 4x4, 2nd, 285 AT, hp?, Luk Pro Gold
Twisted Shifter - 2.03, 2wd, 3rd gear, Stock Tire, 449 Hp, SB DD 3600
smoke machine, 2.04, 4x4, 3rd, 20-25psi, 37/13.50r 20's, 615 hp, Valair 3850 DD
Kilch123, 2.067, 4x4, 2nd, 235/85R16, 419, Valair Kevlar/Ceramic 13" upgrade
aksparkey01, 2.07, 4x4, 3rd, 385/75/16, hp est 500-550, sbcdd 3250
srt cummins 2.1 60ft, 2nd gear with nv5600, stock tires with 20psi stock clutch and 3.73's gears and 458hp
XTrEmE9156 - 2.15, 4x4, 3rd Gear, 265, 325 Hp, SB DD3850
Mudn_1 - 2.165, 4wd, 2nd gear, 315, 485 Hp, Spec-V single disc
Cursedtofirst45 - 2.283, 4x4, 2nd gear, 285, 350 Hp, stock clutch!
Big Blue24 - 2.39, 2wd, 2nd gear, 285 AT, 499 Hp, Valair 13" Organic
7inchstack-2.53, 2wd, 2nd gear, 38/15.50/20, stock, and stock lol
jmd025- 2.6, 2wd, 2nd gear, 265 bald, 350? (towing setup), Valair Kev/ Cer Single.
 
1.90- 4x4,2nd gear, 35x12.50's, 3.55's, SB DD 3850.... with my old 66/16, lookin to improve these with the new twins
 
Now with the twins... And trying to sort out a Smarty/Adrenaline Stack

2.080 4x4, 2nd,235/85R16,516, Valair Kevlar/Ceramic 13"
 
Kilch123 said:
Now with the twins... And trying to sort out a Smarty/Adrenaline Stack

2.080 4x4, 2nd,235/85R16,516, Valair Kevlar/Ceramic 13"
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what settings on the smarty/adr stack?

Mine pulls hard with the "jamie Lent" tune and smarty sw3 timing 4?

but i haven't tried many yet
 
Had them both on kill, with timing turned off on adrenaline - went the other way with SW8 on smarty, and Adrenaline on kill and seemed quicker...

So far, Jamie has not enlightened me...

Right now, quad has my ADR1000, so no testing till it gets back:nail:

Hope to have it figured out for the Bowling Green event though...
 
I'll adopt this thread for a while

Name, 60' Time, 4x4 or 4x2, Gear Launch, Tire Size, Est Hp, Clutch

msmisery 1.120 60 ft , 3.027 - 3.32 330 ft , 4.70 in the 1/8 , 4x4 taking off in second gear in the liberty
DIESELGUY84-1.607, 4x4, 3rd, 305/75/18 Toyo Proxies, 507, Valair 3850# DD.
Lostnwalmart - 1.68, 4x4, 3rd gear, 305/75/18 Toyo Proxies, 605, Valair DD
4WARNED - 1.69, 4x4, 2nd gear, 265/70/16 Toyo Proxies, 500+, SBC DD
05_lly - 1.71, 4x4, 3rd gear, 245 factory bridgestone, 500ish, SBC DD
Jff24Gordn - 1.78, 4x4, 2nd gear, 285 AT, a lot, HMR Street Drag DD
RobertP-1.8, 4x4, 3rd gear, 285 AT, 691hp, SBC DD,12.91 1/4-fuel only
03dodgeoffroad - 1.8, 4x4, 2nd, 285, hp?,valair fermic
Big Blue24 - 1.86, 4x4, 2nd, 285 AT, 499, Valair 13" FE
95civic2005 - 1.88, 4x4, 2nd, 33" Michelin, 476hp, Valair Single Ceramic
Slick Willie, 1.888, 4x4, 1st, 37" x 13.50" x 18", 500 +, Dual Disc 3600#
Sandaholic - 1.892, 4x4, 2nd, 315/70/17 BFG AT's, dyno says 421 Hp, Spec DD
Gunracer1 - 1.90, 4x4, 3rd, tires dually, 500+hp, SB DD
01smoker, 1.90, 4x4, 2nd gear 20psi, 285 toyo a/t, 500hp+, SBC DD
bbtank45, 1.90- 4x4,2nd gear, 35x12.50's, 3.55's, SB DD 3850.... with my old 66/16
GLHS - 1.94, 4x4, 2nd, 265 Michelins, 455 hp, South Bend FE single
Timebomb - 2.00, 4x4, 2nd, 285 AT, hp?, Luk Pro Gold
Twisted Shifter - 2.03, 2wd, 3rd gear, Stock Tire, 449 Hp, SB DD 3600
smoke machine, 2.04, 4x4, 3rd, 20-25psi, 37/13.50r 20's, 615 hp, Valair 3850 DD
Kilch123, 2.080 4x4, 2nd,235/85R16,516, Valair Kevlar/Ceramic 13"
aksparkey01, 2.07, 4x4, 3rd, 385/75/16, hp est 500-550, sbcdd 3250
srt cummins 2.1 60ft, 2nd gear with nv5600, stock tires with 20psi stock clutch and 3.73's gears and 458hp
XTrEmE9156 - 2.15, 4x4, 3rd Gear, 265, 325 Hp, SB DD3850
Mudn_1 - 2.165, 4wd, 2nd gear, 315, 485 Hp, Spec-V single disc
Cursedtofirst45 - 2.283, 4x4, 2nd gear, 285, 350 Hp, stock clutch!
Big Blue24 - 2.39, 2wd, 2nd gear, 285 AT, 499 Hp, Valair 13" Organic
7inchstack-2.53, 2wd, 2nd gear, 38/15.50/20, stock, and stock lol
jmd025- 2.6, 2wd, 2nd gear, 265 bald, 350? (towing setup), Valair Kev/ Cer Single.
 
1.652, 4x4, 3rd gear, 275/65/17 proxies on H2's, (HP est.) 600, SBC tripple 8 button ceramic
 
2.162 60'

Stock clutch 4kgsk 0# plate intake & straight pipe 15.84 in 1/4

2nd gear launch 4x4

EDIT: just seen the list am i the fastest with a stock clutch?
 
Big Blue24 said:
Sounds good, I'm tired of beating on my manual transmission.
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LOL I don't blame you....... chit can get expensive!


Saber123316 said:
2.162 60'

Stock clutch 4kgsk 0# plate intake & straight pipe 15.84 in 1/4

2nd gear launch 4x4

EDIT: just seen the list am i the fastest with a stock clutch?
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Maybe. There was a guy on Cummins Forum that was running the 1/4 in low or mid 13's on a stock clutch. He had to be cutting some pretty good 60ft times!


Name, 60' Time, 4x4 or 4x2, Gear Launch, Tire Size, Est Hp, Clutch

msmisery-1.120 60 ft , 3.027 - 3.32 330 ft , 4.70 in the 1/8 , 4x4 taking off in second gear in the liberty
DIESELGUY84-1.607, 4x4, 3rd, 305/75/18 Toyo Proxies, 507, Valair 3850# DD.
05_lly - 1.652, 4x4, 3rd gear, 275/65/17 proxies on H2's, (HP est.) 600, SBC tripple 8 button ceramic
Lostnwalmart - 1.68, 4x4, 3rd gear, 305/75/18 Toyo Proxies, 605, Valair DD
4WARNED - 1.69, 4x4, 2nd gear, 265/70/16 Toyo Proxies, 500+, SBC DD
Jff24Gordn - 1.78, 4x4, 2nd gear, 285 AT, a lot, HMR Street Drag DD
RobertP-1.8, 4x4, 3rd gear, 285 AT, 691hp, SBC DD,12.91 1/4-fuel only
03dodgeoffroad - 1.8, 4x4, 2nd, 285, hp?,valair fermic
Big Blue24 - 1.86, 4x4, 2nd, 285 AT, 499, Valair 13" FE
95civic2005 - 1.88, 4x4, 2nd, 33" Michelin, 476hp, Valair Single Ceramic
Slick Willie, 1.888, 4x4, 1st, 37" x 13.50" x 18", 500 +, Dual Disc 3600#
Sandaholic - 1.892, 4x4, 2nd, 315/70/17 BFG AT's, dyno says 421 Hp, Spec DD
Gunracer1 - 1.90, 4x4, 3rd, tires dually, 500+hp, SB DD
01smoker, 1.90, 4x4, 2nd gear 20psi, 285 toyo a/t, 500hp+, SBC DD
bbtank45, 1.90- 4x4,2nd gear, 35x12.50's, 3.55's, SB DD 3850.... with my old 66/16
GLHS - 1.94, 4x4, 2nd, 265 Michelins, 455 hp, South Bend FE single
Timebomb - 2.00, 4x4, 2nd, 285 AT, hp?, Luk Pro Gold
Twisted Shifter - 2.03, 2wd, 3rd gear, Stock Tire, 449 Hp, SB DD 3600
smoke machine, 2.04, 4x4, 3rd, 20-25psi, 37/13.50r 20's, 615 hp, Valair 3850 DD
Kilch123, 2.080 4x4, 2nd,235/85R16,516, Valair Kevlar/Ceramic 13"
aksparkey01, 2.07, 4x4, 3rd, 385/75/16, hp est 500-550, sbcdd 3250
srt cummins 2.1 60ft, 2nd gear with nv5600, stock tires with 20psi stock clutch and 3.73's gears and 458hp
saber123316 - 2.162, 4x4, 2nd, ?, ?, stock clutch
XTrEmE9156 - 2.15, 4x4, 3rd Gear, 265, 325 Hp, SB DD3850
Mudn_1 - 2.165, 4wd, 2nd gear, 315, 485 Hp, Spec-V single disc
Cursedtofirst45 - 2.283, 4x4, 2nd gear, 285, 350 Hp, stock clutch!
Big Blue24 - 2.39, 2wd, 2nd gear, 285 AT, 499 Hp, Valair 13" Organic
7inchstack-2.53, 2wd, 2nd gear, 38/15.50/20, stock, and stock lol
jmd025- 2.6, 2wd, 2nd gear, 265 bald, 350? (towing setup), Valair Kev/ Cer Single.
 
Sandaholic said:
I added a few 6o ft. times that were posted and changed my Hp

Name, 60' Time, 4x4 or 4x2, Gear Launch, Tire Size, Est Hp, Clutch

msmisery 1.120 60 ft , 3.027 - 3.32 330 ft , 4.70 in the 1/8 , 4x4 taking off in second gear in the liberty
DIESELGUY84-1.607, 4x4, 3rd, 305/75/18 Toyo Proxies, 507, Valair 3850# DD.
Lostnwalmart - 1.68, 4x4, 3rd gear, 305/75/18 Toyo Proxies, 605, Valair DD
4WARNED - 1.69, 4x4, 2nd gear, 265/70/16 Toyo Proxies, 500+, SBC DD
05_lly - 1.71, 4x4, 3rd gear, 245 factory bridgestone, 500ish, SBC DD
Jff24Gordn - 1.78, 4x4, 2nd gear, 285 AT, a lot, HMR Street Drag DD
RobertP-1.8, 4x4, 3rd gear, 285 AT, 691hp, SBC DD,12.91 1/4-fuel only
03dodgeoffroad - 1.8, 4x4, 2nd, 285, hp?,valair fermic
Big Blue24 - 1.86, 4x4, 2nd, 285 AT, 499, Valair 13" FE
95civic2005 - 1.88, 4x4, 2nd, 33" Michelin, 476hp, Valair Single Ceramic
Slick Willie, 1.888, 4x4, 1st, 37" x 13.50" x 18", 500 +, Dual Disc 3600#
Sandaholic - 1.892, 4x4, 2nd, 315/70/17 BFG AT's, dyno says 421 Hp, Spec DD
Gunracer1 - 1.90, 4x4, 3rd, tires dually, 500+hp, SB DD
01smoker, 1.90, 4x4, 2nd gear 20psi, 285 toyo a/t, 500hp+, SBC DD
GLHS - 1.94, 4x4, 2nd, 265 Michelins, 455 hp, South Bend FE single
Timebomb - 2.00, 4x4, 2nd, 285 AT, hp?, Luk Pro Gold
Twisted Shifter - 2.03, 2wd, 3rd gear, Stock Tire, 449 Hp, SB DD 3600
smoke machine, 2.04, 4x4, 3rd, 20-25psi, 37/13.50r 20's, 615 hp, Valair 3850 DD
Kilch123, 2.067, 4x4, 2nd, 235/85R16, 419, Valair Kevlar/Ceramic 13" upgrade
aksparkey01, 2.07, 4x4, 3rd, 385/75/16, hp est 500-550, sbcdd 3250
srt cummins 2.1 60ft, 2nd gear with nv5600, stock tires with 20psi stock clutch and 3.73's gears and 458hp
XTrEmE9156 - 2.15, 4x4, 3rd Gear, 265, 325 Hp, SB DD3850
Mudn_1 - 2.165, 4wd, 2nd gear, 315, 485 Hp, Spec-V single disc
Cursedtofirst45 - 2.283, 4x4, 2nd gear, 285, 350 Hp, stock clutch!
Big Blue24 - 2.39, 2wd, 2nd gear, 285 AT, 499 Hp, Valair 13" Organic
7inchstack-2.53, 2wd, 2nd gear, 38/15.50/20, stock, and stock lol
jmd025- 2.6, 2wd, 2nd gear, 265 bald, 350? (towing setup), Valair Kev/ Cer Single.
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Ha, a 4x4 Gas truck with a blown Pro Mod engine made the list but a 1.34 from a diesel didnt? Oh well it didnt belong anyways I think the list was for std trannysLOL
Ryan
 
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